New rape law allows change of mind

[Velociryx]

any free person cannot be forced into an act against their will by another, regardless of the circumstances.

You said it, Che.

And per the article, she wasn't forced into the act. She entered into it quite willingly.

-=Vel=-

[Sava]

Funny, because I had "heterosexual relations" when you were a pimply virgin.

You are turning into Fezzy bobo... you're taking me too seriously.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Rather, they see this law as taking those rights to new levels of absurdity, ESPECIALLY given that it makes it nigh on impossible to PROVE (her word against his, nothing more....physicial evidence? Nahhh, don't need it, she SAID so, so it must be true, right?

As has been pointed out previously, many rape cases lack physical evidence. Women who "consent" to bing raped under the threat of violence will only have their word against the rapists. Since it's just a he said, she said case, I guess you don't think that qualifies a rape.

In fact, most cases of rape lack evidence that sex was not consensual. I guess we should only outlaw rape where actual violence is used.

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara You do not have a right to have sex with any specific person

Damn.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sava
Sorry bo bo, but if there is sufficient evidence to prove rape, the question of when consent was given or not given is irrelevant. The existing law is sufficient. And this new law only expands the possibility of abuse.

No it isn't irrelevant, because, as was said, there have been cases in the past where rapists have justified continuing, even after being asked to stop, because they had initial consent. And they've gotten away with it. This law would prevent such scumbags from getting away with it.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Sava
You guys must have boring sex lives if you are in a perfectly rational state during sex.

Or you could be like Boris and have little or no understanding of heterosexual relations.

I know you're young and you probably haven't had much sex, but if a woman suddenly says "No, I want to go home", the natural reaction is to say "what?" If you're coming when she says that, then you're probably going to pause and say "okay".

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Who's a jury gonna believe, the big strong neanderthal, or the weepy 'victim?'

Nine times out of ten they believe the guy, actually.

[Sava]

I know you're young and you probably haven't had much sex, but if a woman suddenly says "No, I want to go home", the natural reaction is to say "what?" If you're coming when she says that, then you're probably going to pause and say "okay".

Every girl I've had sex with (4 women in 6 years since I was age 17-23) was enjoying it too much to say "No I want to go home..."

[Sava]

Nine times out of ten they believe the guy, actually.

Source? or a BAM?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
any free person cannot be forced into an act against their will by another, regardless of the circumstances.

You said it, Che.

And per the article, she wasn't forced into the act. She entered into it quite willingly.

-=Vel=-

And you missed the part where she changed her mind. Apparently you believe then, that it's okay for employers to enslave you because you agreed to work for them.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sava
Every girl I've had sex with (4 women in 6 years since I was age 17-23) was enjoying it too much to say "No I want to go home..."

I think it's just because they didn't have time to say it.

*Sava Commences sex*

Girl: "No I--"

*Girl looks over, Sava is asleep*

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
Source? or a BAM?

Go ask COAR, if it still exists at DePaul. More than 90% of all rape cases end in dismissal (or did at the time the statistic was taken, in the early 90s).

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Velociryx
any free person cannot be forced into an act against their will by another, regardless of the circumstances.

You said it, Che.

And per the article, she wasn't forced into the act. She entered into it quite willingly.

-=Vel=-

But that's the whole crux of the matter. Under the old law, once a woman gives consent, at any point, that's it. She has said it is okay, so it is not rape.

The new ruling says that a woman has a right to change her mind.

It seems obvious to me that a woman has a right to change her mind. But the question remains about how long does it take for the man to stop. That should be the deciding factor, along with other actions. In the Califonia case, the judges ruled that the man's physical actions amounted to rape. I think the judges may have erred on that issue because they said he held her forcefully, but it might have been a natural sexual action.

[Japher]

You don't know until it happens

Where did I say it never has?

The point of the matter is the consent to start should not be given until you know the person your are with will honor the request to stop.

Everything else is irresponsible, and I don't feel that the consequences of the irresponsibilities of a person should be protect under law.

, any free person cannot be forced into an act against their will by another, regardless of the circumstances

Aye, so if she is drunk, and he bought her the drinks, and she never says 'yes' or 'no' then this rape?... If she feels afterwards that she did not want to have sex?

No one Forced her to have sex. Albeit the forced her to finish what she started... I agree it is wrong. yet, it is not a law that needs to be.

It's like jumping out of that car that then goes and hits someone. Are you responsible for the injuries to that person? You started driving, but you are not required to keep driving, because that would be forcing someone to do something and that is wrong.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
Sorry bo bo, but if there is sufficient evidence to prove rape, the question of when consent was given or not given is irrelevant. The existing law is sufficient. And this new law only expands the possibility of abuse.

Dorkus, if there is actual evidence to prove rape, then consent was probably never given at all. Evidence of rape only happens when there is actual, physical, trauma. This tends to be rather rare, since the threat of violence is usually enough to control a victim.