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  • #91
    A legislature redrawing districts due to public demand from a referendum is a totally different thing from a legislature redrawing districts, in defiance of state legislative rules, just because there has been a change in power


    No it isn't. It's exactly the same thing. I can't see the difference, other than in one case there is a referendum determining the people's will and in this case there is an election determining the people's will.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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    • #92
      what is gerrymandering?

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      • #93
        You can't possibly be serious. Absolutely no one campaigned on the plank of redistricting. If you look at town meetings across the state, DeLay's plan is immensely unpopular. Popular will, my arse. This is all about subverting the democratic process.
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        • #94
          It's the process of divying up electoral districts to give a certain party an advantage.
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          • #95
            Listen. No matter what else, it's wrong for a group of elected officials to run away, twice.

            For the first time ever in my life, I'll probaly vote a straight ticket next election.
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            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #96
              so it's also what they did to the district of Humberside in the UK?

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              • #97
                Listen. No matter what else, it's wrong for a group of elected officials to run away, twice.
                Why? I'd say that no matter what else, it's wrong for a group of elected officials to try to subvert democracy, twice.
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                • #98
                  Popular will, my arse. This is all about subverting the democratic process.


                  Subverting the democratic process? These are representatives of the people changing around the districting. How is this any more 'subverting' the process when every state in the country redistricts? Just because they aren't doing it in the traditional time? So?
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #99
                    How is this any more 'subverting' the process when every state in the country redistricts?
                    Because the redistricting is extremely unpopular among the people of Texas, that the redistricting isn't occuring after a census or 10 year interval, and most importantly that this is one of the basest cases of gerrymandering in recent history. I suppose the aspect of the plan that's most outrageous to me is the partition of Democratic Austin into four and tying them into nearby Republican districts (eliminating my say in the state and federal goverments).
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                    • #100
                      I think, in Texas, when you redistrict the voters you also reseat High School Football...oh no!!!!
                      Monkey!!!

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by Ramo
                        (eliminating my say in the state and federal goverments).
                        You vote for Democrats?
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                        • #102
                          Because the redistricting is extremely unpopular among the people of Texas


                          Redistricting has rarely been a referendum vote. It's what the reps have to say that matters, it doesn't matter how unpopular it is except in the next election.

                          most importantly that this is one of the basest cases of gerrymandering in recent history


                          So basically because the Republicans are now trying to outgerrymander the Democrats is why you have a problem with this? Why weren't you outraged by the previous map, which had been drawn up by the Dems in 1990 to electe as many Dem reps as possible by diminishing the Republican vote?

                          How is this really any worse than any other case of gerrymandering that 49 other states have done? Simply because the timing isn't the same as the other ones? I've already shown that the timing does not have to be the same.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #103
                            Something fundimental needs to be changed about the redistricting process. It's like letting crack addicts have the responsibility for watching & safe guarding the world's crack supply.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #104
                              You vote for Democrats?
                              In some cases. Mostly Green and Libertarian though.

                              Redistricting has rarely been a referendum vote. It's what the reps have to say that matters, it doesn't matter how unpopular it is except in the next election.
                              Yes, but that makes it no less democratic.

                              Why weren't you outraged by the previous map, which had been drawn up by the Dems in 1990 to electe as many Dem reps as possible by diminishing the Republican vote?
                              The previous map was drawn up after the census in 2000 and Republican grievances were addressed in it by federal judges. And I was 5 and in California when the '90 map was drawn up.

                              How is this really any worse than any other case of gerrymandering that 49 other states have done?
                              I'd bet that the other plans didn't completely eliminate the influence of a major city. The '90 plan didn't try to do that either, BTW.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                In some cases. Mostly Green and Libertarian though.
                                If you mostly vote for Green and Libertarian, I have to ask where exactly you think your say in state and federal government is now and how you think this plan will effect it?
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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