It's all about oppurtunity...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Kid....I started to laugh when I read your reply, but then it occurred to me that it was asked in seriousness, so I will give you a serious answer.

Opportunity does not....does not equal success.

Opportunity is....exactly that....the chance of success.

In order to turn an opportunity INTO a success, requires personal effort.

Until then, it is simply an unrealized ambition. A desire.

That would be like saying: If dreams do not equal reality, then what good are they?

-=Vel=-

I don't think DAVOUT agrees with your regular nonsense claiming that all a person has to do is try and they will achieve any goal they set for themself regardless of the obstacles.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
I wouldn't even think of laughing at Kid's question, I think it is a very good question.



It means you get to play the game. You get to try and do what ever it is you want to do, and not have to follow some predetermined path set to you by your forefathers or your government, or even your education.

Opportunity has made the world of difference in this country, not only because of those who have succeed, but because of those who have failed, learned from it, and tried again.

Success is being able to get up one more time than you have fallen...

Thank you for an honest answer. There is some value to this kind of opportunity too.

[Velociryx]

Actually Kid, that's what YOU are saying. You're the one saying that opportunity should equal success, remember? I'm saying the opposite. Opportunity means you have the CHANCE to succeed.

It also means you might not succeed. You might fail horribly!

So?

There are few things in the US economy where failing horribly = death, so it means that it didn't work out. Doesn't mean you can't try again, or try something different, now does it?

Again, the big two-step process for you if you want to succeed economically. It's been distilled down as much as it possibly can....just two steps to remember:

1) Spend less than you earn
and
2) Buy (invest in) something that will increase in value over time.

You're telling me that it is utterly impossible for some folks to do this. I'm telling you that you are incorrect.

-=Vel=-

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kidicious
All of these people disagreed on different points. Communists do that as well you know.

The funny thing is they all agreed on that point. So did every Supreme Soviet since they all included it in their opening statement. Denying religion is as fundamental to the communist ideology as believing Jesus is the son of God is to the Christian faith.

If you don't believe it then by definition you can't be part of the group. Read the Manifestos!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
1) Spend less than you earn
and

I bet I spend less than you.

[Dinner]

That' isn't the issue. The issue is do you spend less then you earn?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The funny thing is they all agreed on that point. So did every Supreme Soviet since they all included it in their opening statement. Denying religion is as fundamental to the communist ideology as believing Jesus is the son of God is to the Christian faith.

It is not fundamental.

Originally posted by Oerdin
If you don't believe it then by definition you can't be part of the group. Read the Manifestos!

Show.

[Velociryx]

Kid, but that's not really the point, is it? I bet I spend less than Bill Gates. So? What does that have to do with ANYTHING? I'm not Bill Gates.

Memorize those two steps, and if economic advancement is something you're even mildly interested in, you will succeed by following them.

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

and btw Kid, stop exploiting Oerdin and go read your own manifesto....

-=Vel=-

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by obiwan18
How much better would we be if everyone did this?

Not very, but the rich and powerful would sleep a lot more easily.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If opportunity doesn't mean success what good is it?

If you mean success, say success, the whole debate will be different.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That' isn't the issue. The issue is do you spend less then you earn?

It is just as hard for Vel to spend less than I do as it is for me. If Vel thinks he's so much better than me based on how much he spends let's see him spend less than I do.

[Dinner]

Kid: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...208345-4405554

Buy, read, learn.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kidicious
It is just as hard for Vel to spend less than I do as it is for me. If Vel thinks he's so much better than me based on how much he spends let's see him spend less than I do.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Kid: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...208345-4405554

Buy, read, learn.

You can read it on the internet. I have a degree in Economics and I have read it. You have no point.