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  • #16
    I ONCE AGAIN post the Israeli proposal at Taba to show you that they COULD have their own state on 95% of the west bank, and more land in Israel proper, to have passage to the Gaza strip, that would've been fully theirs.

    The map is from a european newspaper, and this proposal is documented. The last israeli proposal is on the right, and it even allows for some palestinians to return to Israel, IIRC. the last palestinian proposal calls for the return of all refugees. you can google search it.

    urgh.NSFW

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    • #17
      That's a proposal I could agree too, had the Ancient City remained in Israeli hands.
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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      • #18
        I wouldn't mind the ancient city split, as long as it was REALLY split, so that the jews would have rights to the temple mount as well, not like now, that it is de-facto palestinian.
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #19
          the camp david 2000 one contains Israeli settlements?

          looks neat, though us euro lefties would prefer to see a united and peaceful star-fleet-esque J-town

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          • #20
            No one seems to have taken my theory seriously.

            And, yeah, the Taba proposal looks good to me, Pals should be fools if they didn't go for this, for now

            Couldn't someone just blow up that damned temple mount, it would make it all a tad more easy.

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            • #21
              the sand of the temple mount, if heated properly... you can imagine where it goes from here

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Azazel
                I ONCE AGAIN post the Israeli proposal at Taba to show you that they COULD have their own state on 95% of the west bank, and more land in Israel proper, to have passage to the Gaza strip, that would've been fully theirs.

                The map is from a european newspaper, and this proposal is documented. The last israeli proposal is on the right, and it even allows for some palestinians to return to Israel, IIRC. the last palestinian proposal calls for the return of all refugees. you can google search it.
                Uhm... the Taba proposals did no longer include transitory Israeli control, Israeli corridors, and a security zone along the Jordan?
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #23
                  Look at the ****ing map. Camp david didn't have Israeli corridors as well, though there was "transitory Israeli control" in the jordan valley.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Azazel
                    and more land in Israel proper, to have passage to the Gaza strip, that would've been fully theirs.
                    Why is it important that they have a passage to the Gaza Strip to and from the West Bank?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #25
                      Cause getting a pass to Israel would be a tad harder than to an american getting a pass to Canada. (Alaska comparison)
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #26
                        And?
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #27
                          I dunno. they asked for it.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Azazel
                            Look at the ****ing map. Camp david didn't have Israeli corridors as well, though there was "transitory Israeli control" in the jordan valley.
                            1. I think Arafat should have taken the Camp Daiv deal, despite its shortcomings.

                            2. What you say however looks questionable. Moratinos' non-paper still mentions the corridors.
                            Le Monde diplomatique
                            http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cahier/proche-orient/tabaminutes-texte?var_recherche=+palestine+taba
                            Le Monde diplomatique, mensuel critique d’informations et d’analyses
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #29
                              quote, please. cannot find it.
                              urgh.NSFW

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                              • #30
                                "The Israeli side wished to count "assets" such as Israelis "safe passage/corridor" proposal as being part of the land swap, even though the proposal would not give Palestine sovereignty over these "assets"."

                                "The Palestinian side further maintained that land not under Palestinian sovereignty such as the Israeli proposal regarding a "safe passage/corridor" as well as economic interests are not included in the calculation of the swap."

                                So they were in there, but open for negotiation if I understand that correctly.
                                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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