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  • #76
    "IDF are not illegal combatants."

    Who said they are?
    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #77
      Ah, maybe this was the cause, ket me rephrase the sentence:

      "You know there is a little problem with a "war" that is waged against illegal combatants only."

      Just because a regular army is involved on one side doesn't make it a war.
      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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      • #78
        what does make a war?
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #79
          Militarily organised combatants that control territory on both sides. IMO you could only be at war with the PA, not Hamas etc.
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #80
            IMO you're wrong, esp. since the realities of wars and powers have changed...

            besides, I don't think the PA is a signatory to the geneva convention.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #81
              "IMO you're wrong, esp. since the realities of wars and powers have changed..."

              So we are evolvong back to the 19th century? Maybe... but what is the definition then?

              "I don't think the PA is a signatory to the geneva convention."

              Irrelevant.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #82
                So we are evolvong back to the 19th century? Maybe... but what is the definition then?


                Just throwing some ideas into the air here:
                "Armed conflict between two political entities"?
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #83
                  Is Hamas a political entity? If so, was Germany at war with the RAF? Does it mean that every terrorist organisation, due its poilitical aims, is a political entity - which means the state is at war with it? Can Hamas and Jihad be at war with each other?
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #84
                    Yes.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #85
                      Then the term "war" is totally meaningless.
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #86
                        why so?
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #87
                          Well what is its meaning under that broad a definition? What does it mean for the applicability of humanatarian law? How does it relate to domestic criminal law?
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #88
                            depends on the sircumstances. Do you really want me to describe each situation? I've just had some great greek salad, and meetloaf.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #89
                              Ok, let's talk about food.
                              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                              • #90


                                What I meant is that I've just had dinner and feel very relaxed, so I don't want to describe each detail....

                                But I guess we can talk about food.

                                Do you like salad?
                                urgh.NSFW

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