The US hasn't forgotten Afghanistan

[TCO]

Originally posted by Master Zen


That should be conforting to the Iraquis also... so much for "Iraqui Freedom" if the true intention is just deposing a regime and installing a new one giving not a rat's a s s about anything else... typical though, I couldn't expect less from such an elightened and benevolent nation under an idiot like Bush...

In WW2, our primary mission was to defeat the enemy, not to install democracy.

[Cruddy]

Well, I think an extra billio dollars is a great idea...

Only trouble is, how much of it will reach the outlying Afghan regions after Pakistan, the warlords and Karzai have taken their cut?

Looks like it's back to the poppy fields for most farmers... I would LOVE to be wrong about this, but I haven't heard any reports of Afghan opium production dropping.

[DanielXY]

Of course! What would you do if you got the option to farm food or to farm drugs with 200times the profit from the later? + You dont have to worry about any law-enforcment and the like ...

[Pekka]

Well I hope this will give enough boost to turn the tide in Afghanistan. Maybe they will finally destroy the opium fields that are currently giving 70% of heroin to the world once again, where it goes to Russia and from there to Europe and all over the world? I really hope so, I don't give a crap if farmers die because they can't live off from other plants. They should be shot anyway for furthering the problem. Well maybe not the farmers but the ones coming to buy them from them. I can't believe they haven't been destroyed and they are very well known where they are, it's open business like sunday markets.

Well, anyway, it's not very simple. The system that is in there has been running for hundreds of years, warlords and stuff. It's like going to Africa and say 'clans shall be over!'. But there must be and is an effort to make it happen, so I hope they succeed.

They need to put out an ultimatum to warlords, saying that either you are with us or against us. If you're with us, you will step down and give the legal leader of the country and its government its place and power, or else face the now new Afghan army.

[Pekka]

It is very clear that many warlords are playing on both ends. It's another thing which side they like more, but they have the power to play the game, maybe most of them are just getting support and money from Karzais gov or something. The enemy would be pretty much finished if warlords were united and against them, but clearly they are NOT. So, I see nothing wrong with ultimatum, if they want to change the system, they must get rid of warlords and such. They should stop being nice about it and say step down or die.

[Cruddy]

Pekka, my understanding of Afghan opium production;-

It is not the sole crop, but it is the sole "cash" crop - and farmers need the cash to trade for stuff they can't grow, like clothes, tools etc. Not luxuries, but neccessities.

Usually, the amounts paid for the raw opium are fantastically small compared to the cost of the end product heroin - most farmers realise less than $100 on their entire crop.

In other words - buying the opium then destroying it is cheaper than napalming it with an aircraft. And as far as I can tell, nobody is buying the opium but the drug runners.

As for shooting the farmers - that's really not going to encourage refugees to go back, is it?

[Pekka]

Well I take my words back about shooting the farmers... that wouldn't solve anything. Well buy it then, or destroy the fields, I don't care, but I think it's a disgrace letting this continue.

[DanielXY]

The farmers sure will love the Competition drug lords vs. Government buying their products
for the idea to help out the afghan farmers

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by TCO


In WW2, our primary mission was to defeat the enemy, not to install democracy.

And what does WW2 have to do with the Iraq war? In WW2 you fought an enemy which attacked you. How so did Iraq attack the US this time around?

[TCO]

We are talking Afghanistant. Try to keep up. It's in the thread title if you get confused.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by TCO


It must be fun to be a liberal ****. We're going to kill those who went and killed our people. They understand this just fine in the Middle East. Not doing anything would be pathetic and just incite more attacks.

So why did we waste our time and energy with Saddam then?

I'd also like to point out that $1 billion is what we're spending on Iraq every WEEK.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by TCO


It must be fun to be a liberal ****. We're going to kill those who went and killed our people. They understand this just fine in the Middle East. Not doing anything would be pathetic and just incite more attacks.

Ironic. You sound like a Hamas spokesman.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


So why did we waste our time and energy with Saddam then?

I'd also like to point out that $1 billion is what we're spending on Iraq every WEEK.

Typical liberal misdirection. We are talking about Afghanistan in this thread. You jump up and down like a little kid who thinks he's found a fault with Daddy. Get a clue, yellowjacket.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Cruddy


Ironic. You sound like a Hamas spokesman.

And you talk like Chamberlin. Talk is cheap. Actions matter. If you think the US and Hamas are the same, you're a clueless UK weenie who's never really gotten out of his shell. Oh...

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by TCO


And you talk like Chamberlin.

Who? At least I can spell.

No .wavs of me on Poly, so you can't possibly know how I sound.

I'll give you a clue though - the next PM after the one your talking about.

Originally posted by TCO
Talk is cheap.

What else do you want on a forum? Dancing girls and complimetary drinks?

Originally posted by TCO
Actions matter.

Actions have consequences - how do you think you got top of the Muslim fundie sh1t list?

Originally posted by TCO
If you think the US and Hamas are the same, you're a clueless...

There is no doubt in my mind that the US and Hamas are quite different. It's YOU, as an individual, who I wrote, uses a very similar argument to Hamas.

It might be an idea to study the enemy, to see how you can avoid being confused with them or their bloody minded campaigns.