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  • #106
    Originally posted by Boris Godunov


    So what? Do you think Bush wouldn't have signed it, had he been president in 1996? Do you think gays would be better off had Bush been president instead of Clinton?

    And how does that apply to current candidates? You do know that Howard Dean was the Vermont governor who happily signed the bill there creating gay civil unions, don't you?
    Yes, I know about Howard Dean -- finally a politician who appears to be willing to take a real risk in standing up for what is right.

    I'm not anti-Democratic -- in fact, I see myself as a Democratic. I'm just pointing out that you can't blindly ally yourself with everyone in the political party that you support.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #107
      I'm just pointing out that you can't blindly ally yourself with everyone in the political party that you support.
      I certainly do not.. there are some people in the republican party that I dislike highly...
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #108
        If Bush were to admit that the war is for the direct benefit of Energy corporations such as the Carisle group( A group that his father is tied with ) in Kazahkstan,and the Patriot Act were not his child then I could forgive the falsification of inteligence.
        This kinda glossing over the "real motivation"is spineless
        He could ve even said "We will now finish a job left incomplete by my father,for the sake of Israel and the Kurdish peoples" or something I would've understood.
        He did n't think enough of us the American people to be
        honest with us and that is the point.Our men and women in the military are not pawns to be spent for the wealth and glory of the American elite.(and then I woke up!!)
        The world is a messy place, and unfortunately the messier it gets, the more work we have to do."

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        • #109
          Originally posted by MrFun


          Yes, I know about Howard Dean -- finally a politician who appears to be willing to take a real risk in standing up for what is right.

          I'm not anti-Democratic -- in fact, I see myself as a Democratic. I'm just pointing out that you can't blindly ally yourself with everyone in the political party that you support.
          I don't, but Clinton isn't a good example. I'd gladly vote for Clinton again over Bush, if that was the choice I faced. I have no problems voting for a candidate who is less-than-perfect to avoid getting one who is much, much worse.
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #110
            Originally posted by Boris Godunov


            I don't, but Clinton isn't a good example. I'd gladly vote for Clinton again over Bush, if that was the choice I faced. I have no problems voting for a candidate who is less-than-perfect to avoid getting one who is much, much worse.
            Some people claim that the treatment of gay soldiers was worse under the Clinton administration (don't ask, don't tell), as well.

            But yeah -- Clinton could be the lesser of the two evils.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Boris Godunov


              I don't, but Clinton isn't a good example. I'd gladly vote for Clinton again over Bush, if that was the choice I faced. I have no problems voting for a candidate who is less-than-perfect to avoid getting one who is much, much worse.
              The only thing that's going to solve the problems created by the Bush administration is a well aimed gun. In fact several well aimed guns.
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #112
                Originally posted by MrFun
                Some people claim that the treatment of gay soldiers was worse under the Clinton administration (don't ask, don't tell), as well.

                But yeah -- Clinton could be the lesser of the two evils.
                I seriously doubt that. But there was a lot of abuse of the policy on the part of both the army officials and people seeking to exploit it in order to get out of service.

                Clinton's intentions were to end the ban, but thanks to Senator Nunn (see, there's a Democrat I will badmouth) and others he was forced into this compromise, as the political fallout from an instant end to the ban would have crippled the rest of his agenda. He hoped, however, it would at least be an improvement. That's not how it has panned out, and he has stated since that he feels the time has come to drop DADT and just end the ban.

                So yeah, gay activists were p.o.'d because they didn't get what they were promised, but again, I doubt the situation would have been better under Bush Sr. You have to accept baby steps towards a goal, and perhaps DADT is just such a step.

                I'm not a one-issue voter, so I can put aside my distaste for such politically-motivated moves if I think the guy is doing a good job in other regards and I support his other policies. You cannot deny that Clinton's was the most gay-friendly administration that has ever existed.
                Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Agathon
                  The only thing that's going to solve the problems created by the Bush administration is a well aimed gun. In fact several well aimed guns.
                  While my dislike for Bush & Co. is quite apparent, I don't like people hinting at assassinations, especially outsiders. We'll deal with him in the next election.
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #114
                    The Dems are picking Lieberman?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #115
                      Dean is the only one with funds I think.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by Kidicious
                        Dean is the only one with funds I think.
                        If we're basing things on funds, no Democratic candidate has a chance in hell against the Bush fund raising machine.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          If we're basing things on funds, no Democratic candidate has a chance in hell against the Bush fund raising machine.
                          If the economy doesn't create jobs and our boys keep getting killed in Iraq all the money in the world won't save Bush.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Kidicious


                            If the economy doesn't create jobs and our boys keep getting killed in Iraq all the money in the world won't save Bush.
                            The economy will turn around in Q4 2003... significantly enough to create jobs... ¨our boys¨... give me a break.. you don´t even support the US.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Boris Godunov

                              While my dislike for Bush & Co. is quite apparent, I don't like people hinting at assassinations, especially outsiders. We'll deal with him in the next election.
                              I can say what the hell I like since Shrub has made evident his disdain for the rest of the world and made everyone less safe.

                              Kill the lot of them. They are human waste. That goes for that smarmy pile of **** Blair as well.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Agathon


                                I can say what the hell I like since Shrub has made evident his disdain for the rest of the world and made everyone less safe.

                                Kill the lot of them. They are human waste. That goes for that smarmy pile of **** Blair as well.
                                You are a sick piece of ****.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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