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  • #136
    Originally posted by Kidicious


    I would get an instant lift if Bush or any of the neocons were assasinated. As far as I'm concerned they are enemies of humanity, and it's their just deserve.
    and on the same token, I would think the same for you and other communists. You are the enemies of humanity, not us. You are the enemies of democracy, not us.

    Boris:

    You are quite mistaken... you see.. my uncle served in Vietnam in the United States military and my dad served in the United States Government. So I very well can call the US troops as ¨our boys¨.

    You are dubiously claiming otherwise.

    They aren't yours, though, as you aren't American. When it's your countrymen who are off somewhere getting killed, then you can talk about it. Until then, kindly shut up. Thanks.
    I technically still consider myself Spanish. Nonetheless, 900 Spanish troops are in Iraq. I would personally like to see that number at 5,000.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #137
      Originally posted by Kidicious


      I would get an instant lift if Bush or any of the neocons were assasinated. As far as I'm concerned they are enemies of humanity, and it's their just deserve.
      No matter how much I'm disgusted with Bush's policies on any issue, he is a human being -- a person who does not deserve murder.

      Take your bullsh*t elsewhere.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #138
        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
        I would point out that even joking about assassinating the President of the US is a crime. Last year, a man got a rather nasty shock, when he ended up being setenced to prison for saying, "I'd like to see a burning Bush" in reference to Bush's visit to Souix City.

        It would also make Bush a martyr, which is the last thing we want.
        That's pretty bad. I think I remember that. It's not a threat. The guy was just expressing the fact that he would get joy from the event.

        Bush a martyr? I don't think so.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • #139
          Originally posted by MrFun
          No matter how much I'm disgusted with Bush's policies on any issue, he is a human being
          That is an extremely debately position. We it not against the law, I would be perfectly willing to write what I would like to see happen to him.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #140
            I'd like to see Bush, Cheney, and all involved with dragging America into this unjust war, on trial for treason... and if found guilty, sentenced to the penalty of death. If I were to rob $80 bucks from a 7-11, and shoot the clerk, I'd probably get the DP in a mouth-breathing state like Texas. But yet, I kill thousands of innocents, hundreds of American soldiers, and steal billions; the Republican party would be naming aircraft carriers after me.

            che - I know about the progressive party... and if a popular candidate like Teddy Roosevelt can't even get a quarter of the electoral votes, then I hold out no hope for some unknown. In order to change the system, you must first take control of power from within the system... and it's a two-party system. If the early 1900's is the most recent instance you can present where a third party candidate had a chance in hell, then that shows how pathetic and wasteful supporting such a cause is.

            Kidicious - Apathetic dissidents who don't vote hurt the system by not participating in it. In America, we live by the rule of law. There are protocols to changing things. We don't have petty coups and violent revolutions when things go south... we have elections. And the people that don't participate have no right whatsoever to complain about the results of their own misguided apathy. Guynemer, that goes for you, too. Sure, 2 million people sat at home with their thumbs up their asses... but those people don't exist as far as the democratic process goes. And as long as those people sit at home, politicians won't give a sh1t about their problems, opinions, or concerns.

            When a guy like Rupert Murdoch wants things done, do you think he organizes a mass-protest? Do you think he sulks at home saying to himself, "well nobody cares about what I want so I won't vote" ? No! He writes a check, makes some calls, AND WORKS WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO GET SH!T DONE! The day protesting, apathy, and foolish idealism works, is the day corporate fat-cats start walking the streets carrying signs, "Repeal Dividend Taxes!", "De-Regulate **insertIndustryHere**".

            The problem with some progressives is that they just don't get it.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #141
              Sava no offense, but I'd also like to see you go on trial for treason for wishing death to the adminstration.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Sava
                If I were to rob $80 bucks from a 7-11, and shoot the clerk, I'd probably get the DP in a mouth-breathing state like Texas.
                Only if you live in Harris County, R publicly defended, & U have a "TAN"

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Sava
                  che - I know about the progressive party... and if a popular candidate like Teddy Roosevelt can't even get a quarter of the electoral votes, then I hold out no hope for some unknown. In order to change the system, you must first take control of power from within the system... and it's a two-party system. If the early 1900's is the most recent instance you can present where a third party candidate had a chance in hell, then that shows how pathetic and wasteful supporting such a cause is.
                  Then you need to go back to the books. The Progressive Party and the Populist Party may not have ever acheived much in terms of electoral victories, but they changed American poltics very much for the better. Both the Dem's and Republicans had to enact progressive policies in order to keep from losing to them. And then there's the effect of the Communist Party in the 30s.

                  When there is no alternative to the corporate partioes, they have no incentive to pay attention to anything but their corporate masters. You can talk all you want about taking power from within the system, but look at what that has done? What are the results? Hmm, politics has drifted ever more to the corporations and the right. Guess that must not work. It never has and it never will. The system is designed to take people like that and make them work for it, not the other way around.

                  The only reason the Dem's are paying any attention at all to their party base this time around is because of the Greens. Without the Greens, all we'd have in the race are more coma inducing corporate whores like Lieberman. In a few years, you'd have Democrat's running to the right of Bush while the Republicans would be thinking that perhaps Hitler was a little soft.

                  The politics of the lesser evil has only ever led to greater evil. If no one stands for the politics of good, you'll never get good politics.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    When a guy like Rupert Murdoch wants things done, do you think he organizes a mass-protest? Do you think he sulks at home saying to himself, "well nobody cares about what I want so I won't vote" ? No! He writes a check, makes some calls, AND WORKS WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO GET SH!T DONE! The day protesting, apathy, and foolish idealism works, is the day corporate fat-cats start walking the streets carrying signs, "Repeal Dividend Taxes!", "De-Regulate **insertIndustryHere**".

                    The problem with some progressives is that they just don't get it.
                    Yeah, that really worked during the Clinton years. Let's see, oh yeah, no, it didn't. The reason it works for the corporations is because it's designed to work for them. We don't have the money to right checks. The progressive organizations sold themselves out, refusing to criticize Clinton for fear of losing access. What good is access when all they do is listen. The only way you can make them act on what you want is to take away from them the one thing you have, your vote.

                    When you vote for the Democrats no matter what, you're telling them they can do anything and it won't cost them. If you stop voting altogether, they don't care. If you vote Republican in protest (and some do), then they think the answer is to move to the right. Only by voting for what you want, will you get the parties to address what you want.

                    As to the uselessness of protesting: it got women the vote, it got Black people the vote and an end to desgregation, it got gay people out of the closet, it defended the right to abortion, it ended the Vietnam war, it stopped the invasion of Nicaragua, it got us the minimum wage, legal unions, and social security. In Britain, protests have brought down the government.

                    Aparently it's not very useless. But they've always been ridiculed as usless and they always started small. In 1965, only a handful of people protested the Vietnam War. And no one cared. Five years later the majority of the country was against the war and millions were protesting in the streets. You think that had no impact on politics? It's harder, but you have to work with the weapons you have.

                    We don't have the weapons the right has. We have to use people power.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #145
                      We have to use people power.
                      This isn't Cuba you are talking about. This is not a nation you can infringe your beliefs on. If you want to do that Cuba is the place to go.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Fez
                        Sava no offense, but I'd also like to see you go on trial for treason for wishing death to the adminstration.
                        Unfortunately for you, that's not what I did. I only wished they would be taken to trial for their alleged crimes... and if guilty, punished accordingly. There is nothing illegal or wrong about my statements. Sorry, America isn't a police state, no matter how much you want to see your opposition smoldering in a pit.

                        Then you need to go back to the books. The Progressive Party and the Populist Party may not have ever acheived much in terms of electoral victories, but they changed American poltics very much for the better. Both the Dem's and Republicans had to enact progressive policies in order to keep from losing to them. And then there's the effect of the Communist Party in the 30s.
                        Yeah, I've read the history. After the futility of their efforts in attempting to promote a third party, the progressive elements JOINED the other two parties and worked from within the system to force change.

                        I apologize about the protest part... you're right... but again, you have to ask yourself... do corporate fat cats protest? Who in Washington has the biggest voice? Corporations and special interests. Why? Because they participate in the process. Sure, money is involved... but if PEOPLE got with the program... volunteered for the DNC, ran for local offices, told their congressional representatives how they felt... THEN they could change things. Apathy never changed anything. And history has proven TIME AND TIME again that third-parties don't work.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #147
                          Hey, hey, I don't want a police state anymore either... that is no good...

                          You people have to be very careful when talking like this... some cartoonist in the LA Times I think it was has gathered the interest of the Secret Service. Wishing something awful on the adminstration like you have in this thread could get you in a whole lot of trouble. And I am VERY ****ING SERIOUS HERE.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Fez
                            Hey, hey, I don't want a police state anymore either... that is no good...

                            You people have to be very careful when talking like this... some cartoonist in the LA Times I think it was has gathered the interest of the Secret Service. Wishing something awful on the adminstration like you have in this thread could get you in a whole lot of trouble. And I am VERY ****ING SERIOUS HERE.
                            I know Fezzy, thanks for the concern, but I'm well aware of what is legal and what is not.

                            Threatening the president? Bad... illegal... free ticket to a federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison

                            Promoting a judicial process? Entirely legal... however distasteful you might find it


                            Don't mind my police-state comments Fezzy, I'm tired and more prone to say mean things when my intent is to just tease.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                              I would point out that even joking about assassinating the President of the US is a crime. Last year, a man got a rather nasty shock, when he ended up being setenced to prison for saying, "I'd like to see a burning Bush" in reference to Bush's visit to Souix City.
                              It isn't a crime in Canada.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Sava
                                I know Fezzy, thanks for the concern, but I'm well aware of what is legal and what is not.

                                Threatening the president? Bad... illegal... free ticket to a federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison

                                Promoting a judicial process? Entirely legal... however distasteful you might find it


                                Don't mind my police-state comments Fezzy, I'm tired and more prone to say mean things when my intent is to just tease.
                                Sava cutie, I was not talking to you. It seems you made your point that you weren't threatening the adminstration but others in this thread were.

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                                Take a look at that cartoon. Comprende chavo?
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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