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    The are releasing portions of the National Intelligence Estimate, which claims that Irq was seeking uranium in Africa.

    What the Administration isn't saying is that it was the White House that demanded that these already disproved allegations be put into the NIE. State and the CIA had a note put into the NIE saying that the CIA found these claims to be dubious, but it was moved to page 55, away from the relevent part of the text.

    They're using they own previous lie to justify their subsequent lie.

    From Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity:

    It's very clear to me how: Condoleezza Rice has actually told us how it happened. Her explanation says the evidence was in the National Intelligence Estimate prepared last August and September on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- which is true. The NIE is by far the most authoritative pronouncement, not only by the CIA, but by the entire intelligence community. It's very carefully done. This story about Iraq trying to get uranium from Niger was in there -- this was evidence long since disproved, and yet someone insisted it be included in the document. The State Department was so shocked by this, they put in a footnote saying that in their view, the information was garbage. Rice says the footnote appeared on Page 55 or something like that, so that nobody paid any attention to it.

    So the real question is, how did that information get into the NIE last fall? The reality is that the vice president's office knew that it was spurious -- but the vice president had led the charge on Aug. 26, saying Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program, and there wasn't a shred of evidence of that. So they dusted off this forgery and peddled it on the Hill to get Congress to vote for war. Since the NIE was in progress at that time, they insisted it be included despite [objections] at the State Department and the Department of Energy.

    So around Christmastime, here's this drafter of the State of the Union speech, whom Condoleezza Rice instructs to draft a couple of paragraphs about WMD in Iraq, and the drafter says, "Where do I get that?" and she says, "Well, consult the NIE." So the damage had already been done with the NIE report itself. Condi should've known better with this. The key question is, who allowed it to stand in that report? It's exactly the kind of pressure that folks who are malleable managers do not have the guts to resist. The senior person in charge of the NIE bowed to the pressure that came from the White House, and presumably from the vice president's office, so that the report would support what the vice president had already said. Cheney set the terms on Aug. 26, and who's going to come out with a report that says otherwise?
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    Can't you just make one thread? I mean it's all the same topic.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #3
      why does it matter? their credibility is already shattered anyways, on a wide range of topics.
      meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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      • #4
        It just gets boring and makes che appear to be one note.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Can't you just make one thread? I mean it's all the same topic.
          This is a new lie. Granted, it's part of a pattern of lies to try and cover-up (ooh, there's that word) their previous lies.

          Of course, the President's already 'moved on.' Wouldn't that be great if we could do that. Cop gives you a ticket, tell him you've moved on. Get caught cheating on your wife, tell her you've moved on. The possiblities are endless.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            NO the adminstration is not lying again. This is credible.

            why does it matter? their credibility is already shattered anyways, on a wide range of topics.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #7
              Che -- I agree with you somewhat.

              By the way, when is this "revolution" of yours suppose to happen?
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #8
                Well I heard Zimbabwe might be a good place for his little revolution...
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrFun
                  Che -- I agree with you somewhat.

                  By the way, when is this "revolution" of yours suppose to happen?
                  Tomorrow, ten o'clock, be there or be a running dog imperialist lacky.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                    Tomorrow, ten o'clock, be there or be a running dog imperialist lacky.
                    *noted*

                    *calls secret police*

                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #11
                      Personally, I think the Administration would be better served by saying that they screwed up and say the statement shouldn't have gotten into the speach and point to the intel that is on firmer ground (ie that related to the Biological and chemical programs). The defense of what is apparently a mistake on their part only serves to give the story more life.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        It wasn't a mistake. Tenet said in closed hearings yesterday that the White House fought the CIA to include the dubious story. He even named a name, but since it was a closed hearing, . . .

                        of course then already been leaked.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          I think what they are doing is a good strategic move...
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #14
                            This admin. seems to have some pathological fear of ever being proven wrong: accepting that mistakes were made is against the nature of this admin. After all, George W Bush., his Lord and Savior, is infallible. And don;t you ever forget that!
                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                              It wasn't a mistake.
                              Whatever. I'd spin it that way either way when doing what I suggested.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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