I'm With Stupid IX: Results

[Panag]

agathon , the bb56 kicked but the bismarck and the tirpitz where peanuts with what they did , ....

and have a nice hoorible day to yourself , you should not show such a negative wave like you do , .....

join the navy agathon , then you get to fire rockets and such , ....

[Agathon]

Anyway, sorry for threadjacking (even if it's my thread).

[Panag]

hi ,

whoaah

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm

go and see for yourself , .......

its far from realistic , but it does go in the right way

the US bb rule all the way

whoaah

have a great one

[Drake Tungsten]

Who cares if the Bismarck could beat an Iowa-class or not? They both would've been the Yamato's ***** anyway.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Who cares if the Bismarck could beat an Iowa-class or not? They both would've been the Yamato's ***** anyway.

I doubt it. That was an oversized whale.

anyway as for that site:

the bottom line is that, after 1943 or so, having the world's best optical fire-control systems was largely irrelevant. The night battle between Washington and Kirishima near Savo pretty much settled the point; good radar usually beats good optics in a stand-up fight. And the radar used by Washington off of Guadalcanal was not as good as the sets fitted aboard Iowa

Great! The Bismarck is disadvantaged by being compared to the situation two years after it was sunk. Of course it could never have been modified to keep up with the pace.

But if we had that rule then the Queen Elizabeth's would be judged on their WWI outfits.

[Drake Tungsten]

That was an oversized whale.

How is that a disadvantage in a BB v. BB battle?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Tuberski


If I ever have a chance to post questions, any answer of Zylka would result in a negative score based on how many answered.

That would cure the "Zylka" spam.

Unless, of course, it was a question about 'poly members....

ACK!

Um - a message was conveyed to me that at least one Apolytoner would be very disappointed in such a ban.

If you don't want people answering "Zylka" then don't ask questions that invite it. He didn't win the fave female pornstar or any of the other reasonable questions.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

That was an oversized whale.

How is that a disadvantage in a BB v. BB battle?

Let's be fair. I really have no idea how well the Yamato would have stood up in a true ship to ship battle. It had poor radar fire control at a time in the war when such things mattered a great deal (that's why slagging off the Bismarck for things that the Germans never really had the opportunity to fix annoys me).

Presumably the 18 inch guns of the Yamato would have been enough to flatten anything. I just can't get over my suspicion that such a whale would have performed poorly since it was so obviously made to be huge for huge's sake.

Anyway, I found some more stuff on Bismarck (interestingly it turns out that the Iowa class suffered from terrible inaccuracy at long ranges) which illustrate what I was trying to say before about why Bismarck didn't shoot well in the final battle (as you will see the opposite was the case):

During Bismarck's final battle it should be remembered that the ship was listing to port and being partially flooded would tend to wallow. She could only make about ten knots and at this speed her stabilisers might not have been very effective, also she could barely hold a course, whilst Rodney was unimpared and could manoeuvre so as to get the best tactical advantage, therefore being less exposed to accurate fire. She could manoeuvre defensively without compromising her gunnery, whilst Bismarck could only sit and take it.

Also Rodney was only engaging one ship. Bismarck was being fired upon by two heavy units simultaneously, to say nothing of the cruisers. This has to be taken into account and regardless of national temperament and crew training, incoming fire during a heavy naval engagement is disconcerting in the extreme, whoever you are.


During the final battle Schneider had to deal with a crippled ship. Bismarck would not hold a steady course and the wind and seas were rough. The bow kept swinging back and forth through about 80 degree's bearing. Schneider could not fire a bracketing group of salvoes because he could only bring Anton and Bruno to bear on his target. Lindemann tried to bring Ceaser and Dora to bear by means of prop stearing but the Bismarck would not hold the course so finally they decided it would be better to just let the ship drift and use only 4 guns. This meant that Schneider would have to confirm the range and bearing by test salvoes of four guns about 30 seconds apart. Bismarck got off his first salvo at 0849 some three minutes after the British had opened fire. The Baron reports that the first three salvoes were short(only by 180 meters by an observer on Rodney) , staddling, and over. It appeared it was the British turn to be lucky and the German turn to be unlucky. Observers on Rodney reported that Bismarcks shooting was actually outstanding with a series of "frightfully close near miss's". Rodney was just plain lucky

Interesting stuff

[Kassiopeia]

Um - a message was conveyed to me that at least one Apolytoner would be very disappointed in such a ban.

Wow, me too. I wasn't going to propose anything that radical or harsh, but I suppose we can manage by trying to pick our questions carefully.

[badams52]

Originally posted by Agathon


Um - a message was conveyed to me that at least one Apolytoner would be very disappointed in such a ban.

If you don't want people answering "Zylka" then don't ask questions that invite it. He didn't win the fave female pornstar or any of the other reasonable questions.

So I guess you're saying Q's 1, 4 and 7 weren't reasonable and no he didn't win the fav female pornstar Q, but he did get 6 too many votes...

And while I might like to have questions that don't invite Zylka answers, that my friend is not in my (or the other player's) hands, but in the winner of the previous round's. Case in point, you're most recent questions.

I thought most of the Q's didn't translate well to Zylka answers, esp. Q's 1, 4 (I still can't see Zylka playing with barbies), 6 and esp. 7, but that didn't stop the masses from going the Zylka route.

Seriously, if we have to rely on people making great questions, then we'll never see Zylka lower than Sava in the I'm with stupid contest. The fact that Zylka ended up 5th is proof enough as far as I'm concerned that the game will continue to degrade to the I'm with Zylka game.

I'm not saying we should "ban" the Zylka answer, but seems to me that something could be done to keep the spirit of the game intact. Something like if an answer given to a question is clearly outside of the realm of "acceptable" answers, then all who give that answer get 1/2 credit. I don't see any specific examples that this rule would have ended up hurting Zylka followers in IX, except maybe Q6. So maybe the Qs from IX while seemingly (to me anyway) didn't ask questions that invited Zylka answers, many of them came out that way.

[mrmitchell]

question suggestion:

what is the best submarine of all time

i know the answer to that one, and i don't mean zylka

now wheres the next round

and they better name it Cinco de Stupido (you are more with stupid than you can possibly imagine )

"I'm With Stupid X: Cinco de Stupido"

[Kassiopeia]

badams, that's what I was thinking about. The only problem with that though would be, how to determine it? Only way I could come up with was that the quiz holder would be given sort of "dictatorial" control, i.e. he could decide all Zylka answers on a question were out of the line and give only the nominal one point even if an overwhelming majority of people went zylka. That'd be a good deterrent not to go zylka, if nothing else.

[mrmitchell]

I'm not saying we should "ban" the Zylka answer, but seems to me that something could be done to keep the spirit of the game intact. Something like if an answer given to a question is clearly outside of the realm of "acceptable" answers, then all who give that answer get 1/2 credit. I don't see any specific examples that this rule would have ended up hurting Zylka followers in IX, except maybe Q6. So maybe the Qs from IX while seemingly (to me anyway) didn't ask questions that invited Zylka answers, many of them came out that way.

the spirit of the game is not to answer correctly but to answer what you think the rest of Apolyton will answer.

(i'll let you have your way and ban zylka though when there's a 30-way tie )

[mrmitchell]

I'm with Zylka

I'm with Stoned

[Kassiopeia]

the spirit of the game is not to answer correctly but to answer what you think the rest of Apolyton will answer.

I doubt the spirit of the game is to answer 'Zylka' on all possible questions. It kills off competition, if everyone is a mindless puppet and answers Zylka, there's no way to determine a winner.