Nightmare Scenario: Over a thousand dead US soldiers and a bill of around $125bn...

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by The diplomat
A) We are not loosing our freedom.

I see you've either not been paying attention, or ignoring the facts, but that's another debate entirely.

[quote]B) You can't compare Bush to Saddam. Bush is a democratic president, Saddam was a hitlerian tyrant.[quote]

Bush stole an election and has much more power over me than Saddam.

C) There is a big difference between losing your life while fighting a threat to your freedom (like in the US war of independance) and wishing for a far flung enemy to kill your own people.

The Saddam fedayeen are not my enemy. Are they bad? Obviously. The US administration is my enemy.

The only loss of freedom was the unsconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform

You just keep telling yourself that.

which Bush foolishly signed into law.

Why? It hurts the democrats more than the republicans. Though I still support it based on principle.

[MOBIUS]

Re: Re: Nightmare Scenario: Over a thousand dead US soldiers and a bill of around $125bn.

Originally posted by Zylka
UH OH - IT LOOKS LIKE "PERSONAL PREDICTION" HOUR AGAIN

I'll play: The WHO and voices in my head say 500, 000 llamas dead, plus a trillion Iraqi babies!!! And 1, 000, 000 American soldiers will have their penises lopped off in sophisticated couscous/pilaf attacks@%#^$T

...but only FOUR Ameican soldiers will be killed from this point until the end of the occupation. These are my predictions, and I give them to you because EVERYONE CARES WHAT A F*CKING NOBODY PREDICTS ABOUT WORLD AFFAIRS!!!

Still the same old twattish BS as ever, Zylk???

If you're gonna quote me, quote my later quote that expands upon the one you took - instead of firing off a 'red herring'...

/me Personally I think attacks against US forces will get worse at least in the short term. I called it a 'nightmare scenario' if things maintain their status quo - but really the nightmare is if things get worse...

The figures such as US occupation to last for the next 2-4 years, current costs of $3.9bn a month, a soldier dying on average every day, and attacks getting worse and more organised is in the public domain - if the status quo is maintained, those are the approximate costs of a 3 year occupation. It could get better - or it could get worse...

F***'s sake, the debating skills really have gone down the toilet on this forum of late - especially striking when you go away for a few months!

So get with the programme and stop acting like a bunch of pathetic childish ****ers, however difficult that might be for certain individuals on this forum...

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
You just keep telling yourself that.

Why? It hurts the democrats more than the republicans. Though I still support it based on principle.

The CFR limited political speech. For example, it bans certain political ads 30 days before an election. That's an attack on free speech.

I don't care who it helps or hurts. It is an unconstitutional assault on free speech so I will oppose it based on principle.

The Left really has its values screwed in backwards. Arresting a suspected terrorist is an attack on our freedoms, but a ban on political ads during an election is not.

[Q Classic]

I hope you are not an American. If you are, then you are a traitor for that kind of comment.

i hope this is not an example of compassionate christian conservatism.
ann coulter has a riveting, coherent, and amazingly well-researched text on this very matter.

Second, Odin specifically wished americans dead. That is what is treason if he is a US citizen. There is a huge difference between criticizing or not supporting your government and wishing your own soldiers to be killed. The first is ok, the second is not!

so if a soldier had killed his uncle in a just war, it would be wrong of him to want that soldier's head?

Can you lefties make up your minds . Was it all run by Neoconservatives or was it all about interests? You can't have both (because they are fundamentally opposite positions).

i'm not a lefty, but i think it was all about power. had nothing to do with liberation, or how evil saddam was, or oil. it was about setting up a safe haven so that we americans can project power into that region of the world.

Then no. Not at all. Communism as an ideology does not call for communist nations to attack capitalist nations.

what of the so-called world revolution? if i recall correctly, that led to the korean and vietnam wars directly...

No, it doesn't, but it's still treasonous.

idle talk --> treason? howso?
ah, the "adhering to the enemy"?

This just shows the utter extreme level of hate the Left has towards Bush. To actually wish for Americans to die by the thousands in order to win an election, is utterly perverse and despicable. We may have despised Clinton but we never ever wished for mass murder in order to defeat him.

Clinton was actually elected to office in a fair election.

i love this generalization, and its humorous riposte.
how much more spittle will be expelled from both sides? i'm going to need a poncho and those river boots.

B) You can't compare Bush to Saddam. Bush is a democratic president, Saddam was a hitlerian tyrant.

actually, saddam isn't very hitlerian.

If we are losing our freedom, how come all the peace protests before the war were allowed to happen? How come all the celebrities like Martin Sheen and Susan Surandon were allowed to express their anti-bush views?

only to be promptly tarred and feathered by the conservatives who took to calling them traitors and what not.

The only loss of freedom was the unsconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform

how is that a loss of freedom? oh, yes special interests don't get to buy--er, donate to candidates they like.

The Left really has its values screwed in backwards.

another classic generalization.

[Velociryx]

IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!



A thousand dead, huh? Look at even the minor battles of some of the wars the US has participated in (to say nothing of total casualty figures)....a thousand dead to topple the government of an a$$ of a man who has supported folks who have openly stated that they will do everything in their power to make the western world burn.

While no death is good, that certainly seems a bargain, given the horrible casualties of other wars.

-=Vel=-

[Q Classic]

it's not going to be another vietnam. it's also not going to be what the bush admin said it was going to be, a cakewalk.

when it's all said and done, it'll have been a very expensive nation-building endeavour which was paid for by blood, oil, and sweat. will the results be worth it? since we haven't even begun in earnest, it's still too early to speculate.

[Velociryx]

I agree....the cakewalk part is over (that is, dismantling Saddam's armed forces). The rest will be hard stuff. Not impossible stuff....but hard.

-=Vel=-

[GePap]

A very successful troll it seems, overall.

On the most current Iraq news, a convoy was attacked, 7 casualties, one fatal. And India nixed the idea that they would send a full division (17,000 men) to peacekeep around Mosul, which the Bsuh admin. had been pressing India to do. They said they will not do it due to the hig unpopularity of the war at home, and cause there is no clear UN mandate.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Velociryx
IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!

Lebanon. You mean Lebanon.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
it's not going to be another vietnam. it's also not going to be what the bush admin said it was going to be, a cakewalk.

when it's all said and done, it'll have been a very expensive nation-building endeavour which was paid for by blood, oil, and sweat. will the results be worth it? since we haven't even begun in earnest, it's still too early to speculate.

If Iraq becomes ME Japan I will be like

somehow I highly doubt it, but so far it is better than it could have been, so we will see... one thing that interests me is whether Iraq will get on #1 spot of terror recruits after this war?

I hope not, but it could happen...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by GePap
A very successful troll it seems, overall.

A very successful troll?

No. But if this thread asks difficult questions that the supporters of this occupation have no answer for and causes them instead to snipe at the author and run scuttling for cover like cockroaches into the dark recesses of this forum - then yes, it has been a very successful thread...

As for this talk about Vietnam, militarily this is frankly preposterous as the attacks will never amount to more than pinpricks - however if the US isn't careful it could see a 'political Vietnam' as the Iraqi people democratically elects a fundamentalist Shi'ite government that lurches into Iran's sphere of control...

[Zylka]

I would like to ask another question:

WHERE do I get my PORN?