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  • #46
    Shades of grey. There are no absolutes.
    Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
    -Richard Dawkins

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Starchild
      Shades of grey. There are no absolutes.
      Why do otherwise intelligent people make statements like this
      - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
      - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
      - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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      • #48
        People are lazy and won't look for the facts that let them make a decision.
        I said that initially, and it's been proven throughout the thread.
        Which is cool. That's fine.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #49
          No banana option?

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          • #50
            I see people who make black & white decisions as people who are not really willing to delve into the facts more often then not, or not willing to consider facts that might be contrary to the decision they have already made.

            This isn't always the case, but for a large number of people it is, which makes me question your assumption that shades of grey people are lazy or not willing to consider all the facts. Often, if you consider ALL facts available to you, you'll find pros and cons for both sides = grey. I would think the shades of grey people are that way because they are willing to look at facts more objectively.

            By the way, being a shade of grey person doesn't mean you're indecisive. It just means more often then not you've got to make decisions based on probable outcomes as opposed to certainties.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              People are lazy and won't look for the facts that let them make a decision.
              I said that initially, and it's been proven throughout the thread.
              Which is cool. That's fine.
              Some people aren't full of them selves and can admit that they don't know everything, that they aren't omniscient.
              Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

              Do It Ourselves

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              • #52
                The death penalty is an excellent example of black and white, if you have the facts. To the people insisting on gray, you're remembering to dig down to the lowest level, right?If you have the facts, there can be no gray; that's what I'm saying.
                But neither option is absolutely wonderful and perfect (call it white) while the other is horribly evil (call it black). There are a lot of pros to keeping the death penalty and a lot of pros to abolishing it. If you study the issue in depth, maybe you can come out with the conclusion that the pros of keeping the death penalty slightly outweigh the cons of it, you can say that keeping is a slightly lighter shade of grey than getting rid of it, and make your decision on that basis.

                When I think of "black and white", I think more of someone who would say "Keeping the death penalty is the only possibility, no one innocent ever gets murdered, anyone who supports getting rid of the death penalty must be either a lunatic who ought to be committed or a communist trying to destroy the country" or something. With the exception of some religions and "Lord of the Rings", you never get that kind of all-good vs. all-bad conflict, and you've got to choose between greys.
                "Although I may disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to hear me tell you how wrong you are."

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                • #53
                  Grey. There is no absolute right or wrong in most if not all moral issues.
                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • #54
                    One might say that your position about this is extreme, no? "Everything is certain way" is black or white.


                    Not really... because I'm not saying that I'm 100% right. I could be wrong (ie, a shade of grey).
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #55
                      yep, i agree with sloww. black and white without question.
                      http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                      • #56
                        Black, white and liberal, no gray.
                        Long time member @ Apolyton
                        Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                        • #57
                          Neither Black or White... the answer's Hispanic

                          for real though yall can probably guess what my position would be... some things are right and some things are wrong. enough said.
                          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                          • #58
                            Can I still say 'United Negro College Fund'?
                            -30-

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                            • #59
                              All it means by saying that you only see things in black or white is that you have actually bothered to make an informed opinion.
                              I would say its the other way round. Most ppl. who think about everything in terms of black and white, havent really informed themselves about the topic. Usually some statements from other persons/groups are taken for the ultimate truth. This is esspecially true for religious people. For example most Christians base their opinions on the bible or religous leaders, they dont go for facts.

                              Ultimatly there is always a up and downsite to all issues thus the world is grey. For example food-donation to poor ppl in Africa or somewhere. You have the upsite of ppl. beeing feed and not starving. But you have the downsite of discouraging them from doing something on their own to get out of this mess (like farming their own food). Same goes for any other issue, also they are sometimes very close to entirly black...
                              If its no fun why do it? Dance like noone is watching...

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                              • #60
                                I only see shades of Yellow... as in Banana
                                This space is empty... or is it?

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