I need some new music.

[Az]

which reminds me... time to catch some zzz's. going to get my paycheck tomorrow.

[Pekka]

Azazel, nah.. It's Players Ball tomorrow.. he won't be home tomorrow .

[Stefu]

In addition to Firewater (anyone planning to DL them might want to start with, for instance, "So Long, Superman" or "Car Crash Collaborator"), I'll throw a recommendation for that fine Finnish band, CMX. Kultanaamio and Ainomieli would be fine examples of their poppier songs, while, fr. ex., Nainen Tanssii Tangoa, Pyhiinvaeltaja or Laulu Palavasta Linnusta are bit more ecletic and harder. They sing in Finnish, but that shouldn't stop anyone, dammit.

[Al B. Sure!]

Pekka:

It's like looking for a needle in a.. something big

i think you meant looking for a crab in a virgin's bush

[BustaMike]

I cannot stress this enough. OPETH
If you have not heard them, you must.
I recommend Deliverance, Bleak, The Leper Affinity, Demon of the Fall, April Ethereal, and every other song they have ever made.

Old Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and Faith No More are always good if you don't already listen to them. At the Drive In is great, especially Relationship of Command, their last album together. Korn's first album is classic, but I don't recommend any other one's.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
HIP HOP HORRAAAAY! HOOOO! HEEEEY! HIP HOP HORRAAAAY!

Hip Hop? You can't say that any more....

WHO REALLY OWNS HIP HOP?
USE THE TERM 'HIP HOP' &
PAY A LICENSING FEE
by Davey D

It looks like the Hip Hop community now faces its biggest challenge.
Forget police task forces or discriminating night club owners, folks
will now have to gear up to do some serious battle with a Los Angeles
businessman named Richard Gonahangya and his company America Media
Operative Inc. For those who don't know AMO Inc is a little known
company that specializes in lobbying Congress and advising government
officials on media policy. They yield a lot of influence over the FCC
and other agencies that determine policy. The word around town is
'what they say goes'.

Gonahangya a staunch conservative, held a small press conference in
Compton, Ca yesterday to announce that his company AMO Inc had
recently trademarked and brought the rights to the word/phrase 'Hip
Hop'. As a result they will soon start charging a licensing fee for
anyone who wishes to use the word in a commercial/ for profit project.

Taking advantage of a provision in the recently amended Millennium
Copyright Act of 2001, Gonahangya explained that he and his company
have all the legal ammunition and clearance to own the rights to the
phrase 'Hip Hop'. He noted that the Hip Hop industry has generated
over 20 billion dollars last year in the United States alone. The
phrase Hip Hop is now a powerful marketing tool and his company is
posed to profit handsomely in 2003 from its 'proper' usage. The new
licensing fee is estimated to net AMO Inc a whooping 5-8 billion
dollars a year.

"Any business including record labels, videos, radio stations or
television shows that use the phrase 'Hip Hop' in the title or
marketing body of their work will have to pay AMO Inc a licensing
fee", Gonahangya told reporters. 'We are not attempting to stifle
free speech or muzzle popular culture.. we have no legal grounds from
preventing anyone who wishes to use the word in everyday speech,
however if you are using the word in a manner that associates you
with a salable product, then we fully intend to collect our fee".

Gonahangya went on to explain that what he is doing is not unusual.
There are many popular words that are used in everyday conversations
that are trademarked and cannot be used in commercial ventures
without permission. 'The word 'Xerox' is often used interchangeably
with 'copy'. The word 'Vaseline' is used interchangeably with lotion
or grease. He also explained that the word Rock-N-Roll is trademarked
by a major label record executive who at the time could not charge a
licensing fee.

Gonahangya laid out his company's strategy for 2003. He explained
that AMO Inc is giving record labels and performers a one month grace
period to get their business affairs in order. Starting in May
letters will be sent out to anyone who is using the term 'Hip Hop'
explaining that the word is now trademarked and that if they wish to
continue to use it in the body of their work, they will have to
register with his company and be assessed a licensing fee. Letters
have already been sent to several Hip Hop internet websites with more
to come. He estimated the average fee will be anywhere from 2-5
thousand dollars plus residual fees per project. Permission to use
the word will be on a case by case basis. In addition any future
projects released using the term ' Hip Hop' will have to have the
'TM' symbol next to the word.

When asked if he felt AMO Inc was being exploitative and attempting
to blackmail a viable popular culture, Gonahangya bluntly stated;
'This is not about culture. This is about business... The laws have
been set up for anyone and everyone to use. Our company took
advantage of what was on the books for almost a year and that what we
are doing is now perfectly legal... Hip Hop is a big multi-billion
dollar a year business. I was surprised that a big executive like
Russell Simmons or Clive Davis or even business savy rappers like
Jay-Z, P-Diddy or Eminem never trademarked the phrase. Everyone in
America knows that you don't do business without protecting your
assets. It's just plain stupid to leave yourself this wide open.. If
the Hip Hop community is that dumb when it comes to business then too
bad. Don't make me out to be the bad guy".

When asked if he intends to share any of the profits from licensing
the word 'Hip Hop' with any of Hip Hop's pioneers including Lovebug
Starski who first coined the phrase back in the late 70s or Afrika
Bambaataa who popularized and spread the word, Gonahangya laughed. 'I
never heard of a Mr Starski and as for sharing profits with people
from Africa..No, my people are originally from Denmark, Norway.

When another reporter told Gonahangya that Afrika Bambaataa was
someone's name, Gonahangya shrugged it off and said he had no
intentions of sharing the profits with anyone but his company and his
family." However, he did offer a discounted licensing fee for Starski
and Bambaataa since they coined and helped popularized the term.

When asked if there would be any sort of criteria set up to determine
who will and will not be allowed to use the phrase 'Hip Hop',
Gonahangya explained that for most part if a company has the money
and a viable revenue stream for residual payments then it should be a
'piece of cake'. As for criteria, Gonahangya explained that he has
very little tolerance and respect for individuals and companies that
are attempting to use the phrase Hip Hop for political gain.

"Recently the term 'Hip Hop' has been positioned as a
progressive/liberal movement. That's unfair and a totally one-sided
approach to what is an American institution.Hip Hop is for everyone.
It is not a slick political campaign tool for Jesse Jackson, Al
Sharpton or Hillary Clinton.", he retorted

Gonahangya became evasive when asked if he would allow the term Hip
Hop to be used by any of the conservative organizations that he
regularly associates with and lobbies for. " To be honest we have not
ruled them out. We believe that Hip Hop needs to be politically
balanced. For years Hip Hop has been associated with liberal causes
that have totally undermined the moral fiber of this country. We will
be very selective as to how Hip Hop will be used politically", he said

Gonahangya continued; "I will assure you this... In the future you
will not be seeing billboards or magazine ads with the words Hip Hop'
and Reparations, 'Hip Hop' and Affirmative Action or even 'Hip Hop'
and Black Power anytime soon. If it hasn't come through our offices
and been granted a licensing fee then its existence will be in
violation of the Millennium Copyright Act of 2001 and we intend to
aggressively go after any violators and prosecute. This about
political integrity and money".

Some are speculating that Gonahangya intends to use his ownership of
the now trademarked term 'Hip Hop' to quiet down any sort of
political movement that has been organizing around the term in time
for the 2004 elections.

We caught up with Greg Watkins webmaster of the popular site
allhiphop.com and he noted that he had received a letter from
Gonahangya's AMO Inc company earlier this month. "He told us in the
letter that we were in violation of his this trademark law and that
me and my partner Chuck would have to pay licensing fee if we wanted
to keep the word 'Hip Hop in our name. We checked with our lawyers
and found out that we were safe because we are allhiphop and not just
'hip hop'. It's obvious these guys are serious about collecting their
money".

We caught up with long time Bay Area writer and Hip Hop deejay Billy
Jam who does the Hip Hop Slam radio show and has the website Hip Hop
Slam. "Yeah this attorney contacted my attorney and said I would have
to take the 'Hip Hop' out of Hip Hop Slam or pay a fee if I want to
continue doing business. At first I thought it was a joke and then
days later I received a subpoena to show up in court. I was told if I
don't remove the word Hip Hop from Hip Hop Slam or pay a licensing
fee then I could lose my house, my car and my prized record
collection". Normally I don't give a damn about such things, but I
can't afford to lose my records", Billy Jam said

We caught up with popular Bay Area rapper /writer JR The Rap Slanger
out of East Oakland. He said: "Look man, this country's always been
about business and fools is gonna try and collect their paper. But
this is straight up bullS%$T. How's this fool gonna try and trademark
a word and collect a fee? Brothas need to rise up and retaliate and
put a foot in his ass. But let's be honest, me personally I don't
have to worry because I'm not really Hip Hop. I rap. I'm a rapper.
There's a difference between rap and Hip Hop. I guess Hip Hop is
gonna die but rap is gonna go on forever! He didn't trademark the
word Rap did he? "

As far as I can tell the word rap is not trademarked. Nor can it be
because of it's long standing everyday usage.

We checked with famed NY copyright attorney Arnold Esquire Sullivan
and he soberly explained that the new provisions that have been added
does indeed give AMO Inc the right to trademark and collect a
licensing fee for use of the word Hip Hop and any other coined
'unique' phrase. If the word is made up or unique to the American
lexicon then it can be trademarked and people will have to pay a fee
if they wish to use it in any sort of business endeavor.

Sullivan explained the new amendment went through around the same
time they were crafting the Patriot Act. "It's a shame people went to
sleep on this. I hate to say this but Negroes had better wake up and
start smelling the coffee. These people in Washington are not
playing".

Sullivan concluded by noting that failure to comply with the new
trademark laws can result in serious economic repercussions and a
stiff 5 year prison sentence. He noted that the stiff prison sentence
came after music industry executives and software companies lobbied
congress for harsher penalties for bootleggers and other 'copyright'
thieves'. "Unfortunately this new trademark law as it pertains to the
phrase Hip Hop can potentially land people in jail if they try to
make a profit off it', Sullivan noted.

At the end of the press conference Gonahangya explained that he is
currently in negotiations with a major broadcast company so that they
will have the exclusive rights to the word 'Hip Hop'. Gonahangya
declined to name the outlet that he is dealing with, but he did note
that should everything work out according to plan this media outlet
has vast resources and will set up offices throughout the country and
help determine which projects and products will be allowed to use the
term 'Hip Hop'. Gonahangya refused to say whether or not it would be
an outlet like Clear Channel, Viacom or Emmis that would be
determining who can or cannot use the word 'Hip Hop'. "It would be
premature for me to give out that information", he said

It is clear that big corporations and government lobbyist now own Hip Hop.

Gonahangya also reiterated the fact that he is extending a month long
grace period. He also used the occasion to pitch his new licensing
service. In what appeared to be a real cheesy move he stated that he
was offering a one time discount for the next two weeks. He explained
that he understands that there are a lot of non-profits that use the
phrase Hip Hop in literature and other marketing schemes and as a
result they will be granted a one time 500 dollar processing fee and
will subjected to the similar constraints of their 501 non profit
status. That means they can not use Hip Hop as a political marketing
arm.

Non political Independent record labels and artist can obtain a
lifetime license to use the word Hip Hop for 500 dollars. Gonahangya
explained that he believes in doing things for the community and this
is his way of giving back.

"Let it not be said I don't care for the underdog", he said. AMO Inc
is all about helping the downtrodden. We normally charge on average
of 5000 thousand plus lifetime residual fees, but because we care
about the little people we will offer Hip Hop [TM] for 500 dollars
licensing fee for the next two weeks.

If anyone wishes to fill out an application to see if you qualify to
use the term 'Hip Hop' in your product or if you want more
information on AMO Inc call them at 1-800-233-456
or Go to their webpage.

http://pub12.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm14.showMessage?topicID=3.t

opic or drop me a line at misterdaveyd@earthlink.net

[Dinner]

:eeek: It took 8 page downs to get past that post!.

[St Leo]

Distillers all the way. Try The Young Crazed Peeling and Red Carpet and Rebellion by them.

[MattyBoy]

Rachmaninoff - Symphonic Dances.
Beethoven - Pathetique and Moonlight Sonatas

[Bas]

You might already be familiar with them, but try:

Husker Du - 80's band that evolved from a brilliant hardcore band into a brilliant pop/rock band. Try, from their earlier years, In a free land, The biggest lie and Pink turns to blue for example, and from their later albums, Ice cold ice , Hardly getting over it and It's not peculiar , although you can hardly go wrong with any of their albums.
Soundgarden - I guess you already know them, but if you don't really, try Jesus christ pose ,Flower ,4th of july and Head down .
Bad Religion - Great punk band. I recommend Give you nothing , No control ,The handshake, hell, pretty much anything from their epitaph albums or stranger than fiction.
Minor Threat - Classic hardcore, you might like it. Try Filler , Straight edge , or Screaming at a wall .
Therapy? - punk/metal band from the 90's. I suggest Teethgrinder ,Ten year plan or Die laughing for a first listen.

[ixnay]

BANDS YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO:

311
Bad Religion
Chevelle
Coldplay
Filter
Five Iron Frenzy
Goldfinger
Interpol
Jimmy Eat World
The Mad Caddies
Me First & the Gimme Gimmes
NOFX
The Offspring
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Something Corporate
Starting Line
They Might Be Giants
Transplants
Unwritten Law
The Used

I'm too tired to go through and give descriptions for all of these, but they're mostly all your basic punk/ska/alt. rock bands.

[Gangerolf]

Turbonegro. homoerotic death punk

[Saras]

Hot Action cop. Album cover inside

[Mercator]

If you're interested in some country, try the "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" soundtrack.

And as far as techno/dance is concerned:
2 Many DJ's, Laurent Garnier, or Moby (his earlier stuff).

And rock: Soulwax (the same guys as 2 Many DJ's )

And about the euro-dance-pop: Sophie Ellis-Bextor, and more alternative and blur-like, Das Pop.

[C0ckney]

az, i can't really help with punk and the like but i can with the dance music. here's what i've been listening to lately (some of it is a bit old, and some may be hard to find on kazza though :/)

dj jurgen pts. alice deejay - back in my life (thrillseekers remix) (euro-dance)
eddie lock vs the priest - la noche vieja (ruff driverz mix) (trance)
love child - liberta (moonman club mix) (trance)
baby d - let me be your fantasy (drum and bass)
tall paul - be there (tormentor mix) (trance)
michael woods feat. imorgen bailey - if u want me (trance)
jessy - look at me now (eurodance)
revelation - just be dub to me (divine inspiration remix) (progressive)
audio bullys - real life (house)
driftwood - freeloader (any mix except the god awful lasgo one ) (trance)
sneaker pimps - spin spin sugar (dark garage remix) (garage)
second phase - mentasm (oldskool)
ezee posse - everything starts with an e (oldskool)

and here's some non-dance stuff which i've been listening to lately

sneaker pimps - low place like home (downbeat/alt), the album 'becoming x' is great btw.
depeche mode - useless (kruder and dorfmeister session) (chill out)
morcheeba - the sea (chill out)
mono - life in mono (chill out)
mental generation - cafe del mar (chill out)
energy 52 - cafe del mar (michael woods remix) (chill out)
the herbaliser feat. what what - new and improved (hip hop)
groove armada - blue skies (inside my mind) (chill out)
panjabi mc - jogi (banghra)
jj72 - october swimmer (rock)