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  • #166
    Originally posted by DanS

    Well, you're a liberal. Would you expect the majority of Austrians to support that?
    IIRC public opinion is quite split on the issue.

    "There might be a small minority of shops that would find it profitable to stay open late (besides liquor stores )."

    There IS such a minority. You only have to run a gas station (and there are some other loopholes). It's really quite absurd.
    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #167
      Starting position: Excellent, plenty of cows and wheat, few barbarians, many rivers and seashores, immense room for expansion. All luxuries and strategic resources available. No threatening civ around.

      All technologies discovered up to the start by Europeans powers available for free.

      No upkeep for old cathedrals and castles.


      Considering the above, my opinion about the US as a civilization is that any success short of what they became would have been an utter failure.

      For the same reason, I wish the American people limit their pride to what they personally accomplish, which should be enough to make everybody happy.

      Overall rating : very good bordering excellent
      Statistical anomaly.
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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      • #168
        Setting hours for when one is allowed to buy/sell bread.
        Yep. The old USA certainly sucks.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #169
          Let's not get into your ridiculous restrictions on selling alcohol.
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #170
            Actually, I was surprised that the rules on liquor sales have been removed in Ohio when I was home this Summer. The 24-hour supermarket Kroger sold lots of good beers and hard liquor (hard liquor used to be a state-run business).

            But then again, my immediate township in Ohio still forbids sales of alcohol at any time.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #171
              Let's not get into your ridiculous restrictions on selling alcohol


              ****ing Connecticut Blue Laws!

              You got us there, Hersh.

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #172
                Do local governments sometimes limit opening hours in general?
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #173
                  Its a big scary bully. Although I doubt any other country with that much power would be any different. It also needs to mature slightly lose the nationalism, fundamentalism and social conservatism, soooo pre WW1
                  Res ipsa loquitur

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                  • #174
                    In CT, you cannot buy alchohol after 8pm, and at all on Sundays. Why? Because a bunch of Puritans used to live here.

                    Bastards.

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #175
                      Well, as an immigrant to the US, who chose to become a US citizen, who comes from a country with a singular relation to the US (we don;t even have our own currency, but use the dollar [but we call it something else]), let me add my two cents:

                      I think, at least in Panama, that people admire Americans for their industriousness and their straight and law abbding ways (the myth of Americans as freethinking rebels is just that, at leats compared to most humanity). The rich send thier kids to the US more than anywhere else, and everyone knows that unlike where they live, everyone deos have a chance to be rich (even thought they overestimate it commonly) and successful, and that in general, Americans are less bigotted than Europeans, as far as new immigrants are concerned. So that dmiration for America's success in achieving material success and amazing material power is respected and admired.

                      BUT: Poeple still like their own ways: we enjoy our music, or food, our customs, our crazy ways, and we are not likely to enjoy people aorund that think they are better (now this is just common human reality: panamanians do feel themsleves supperior to say, Dominicas, since we are richer than them and think ourselves more urbane and sophisticated [which is true]), but Americans are the least tactfull when it coems to making that clear. And then there is American ignorance, and yes, people, it is special: you see, it is not ignorance of others (that is common enough), but ignorance of oneself. In general A Panamanian kid woill know more about Panama than an American kid will know about the US. (many times, the Panamanian kid will know more about the US also). Americans do NOT like to learn too much about themselves, or at least the school system negletcs that tragically. There are few places with universal schooling where you could claim that a person coming out of secondary education might still be able to NOT KNOW when their country came nto being, except the US.

                      They say that only if you know thyself can you know others well too, and I agree. American are quicker than most to ignore and dismiss the tradtions of others, since they are less likely to admit or remeber their own mistakes. And it seems difficult to imagine that people ignored or dismissed are likely to have much love for you, even if they admire our successes.
                      If you don't like reality, change it! me
                      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                      • #176
                        Different traditions. My local supermarket closes at 7pm, but I can buy beer at the gas station around the clock.
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #177
                          Whereas my supermarket is open 24hrs, but no beer after 8 (no liquor/wine in supermarkets anyway, for that you have to go to a different store).

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #178
                            Given the importance of beer as a basic food stuff, I prefer our model.
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by Arrian
                              In CT, you cannot buy alchohol after 8pm, and at all on Sundays. Why? Because a bunch of Puritans used to live here.

                              Bastards.
                              I was on vacation in Florida and wanted to have a drink with my lunch. It was a small local bar, not one of the tourist centers. The waitress looked at me shocked and asked "You want what?"

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                              • #180


                                See, now, I could have a drink after 8 or on Sunday in a restaurant or bar, I just can't buy it at a store ( ). Clearly, the former is morally upright, but the latter is sinful.

                                -Arrian
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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