Celebrate July 3 AND July 4!

[Inverse Icarus]

i find it ironic that although you claim to take the high ground, you repeatedly use quasi-derogitive terms to describe your northern betters, you slack jawed yokel.

[GePap]

HURRAH FOR THE UNION!

And tommorrow I get a prime seat for the biggest fireworks show in the country!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Uber KruX

Yes, and...



and...



Gotta love Southern Nazis.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
i dont see how backing the south, who continually enslaved a people and led to many deaths is any less offensive than backing nazi germany. i don't see how showing the symbols of said groups is ay different.

just because the germans were better at it means it's taboo?

you asked for it, boy:

that line of speech is awfully reminissant of slaveholder's addressing slaves, boy.

edit by MichaelTheHateMonger:

The swastika/Nazi symbol prohibition is already an established rule. Nothing else is.

Point. Set. Match.



ACK!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


Crap. Most Southern states were already discussing an end to slavery. Topics included things like retraining to prepare them to be able to function in society. Almost noone expected that slavery would last another 15-20 years.

Pfff. They said it at the consitutional convention too. During the Civil War numerous bills had been introduced to re-open the African Slave trade. Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederate state.

What the yankees did, far from really freeing slaves, was to destroy te economy around them and put them in a position to be 2nd class citizens for the next 100 years.

Bzzt. what about the violence the white democrats inflicted on the Republicans and formerly slaves? The attacks on communities that didn't vote for ex-confederates? That was the South's doing, not the North. And whn Federal Troops left, it was the end of equality in the South.

Nothing could be truer than the Victors write the history books. The truth about the south is far from what you learned in your yankee high school.

Bull****. Neo-confederates have so twisted history that nearly everyone reminesces about the "lost cause".

There isn't a marker anywhere in Northern Texas that mentions that Confederates held the biggest mass hanging in history with pro-union residents as the victems. (Gainesville county had voted 67% againest secession)

There isn't much in the way of mention of the fact that Arkansas was divided in two, with two seperate governments and two seperate large militias nearly from the start of the war.

There isn't mention of the Uprisings against Confederate rule in Rural Louisiana and Mississippi...where poor white settlers knew damn well they were being drafted to fight for rich slave owners.

There isn't mention of the fact that Eastern Tennesse and Western North Carolina were unsafe for anyone with Rebel sympathies.

Or the Massacre at Ft. Pillow.


Why? Becuase groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy put up markes and monuements that distort and outright lie about those areas, in those areas. The locals no longer know that thei region was stoutly pro-union.

[PLATO]

Pfff. They said it at the consitutional convention too. During the Civil War numerous bills had been introduced to re-open the African Slave trade. Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederate state.

As the North cut the economic engine of the south down they had to try to raise revenues wherever possible to survive. As I'm sure you were happy to overlook, you did say "re -open". In trying to dispel the truth you show evidence of what was really happening. Such is the way of yankee propoganda.

Bzzt. what about the violence the white democrats inflicted on the Republicans and formerly slaves? The attacks on communities that didn't vote for ex-confederates? That was the South's doing, not the North. And whn Federal Troops left, it was the end of equality in the South.

As you are referring to government official imposed on the population by an occupying force, I would think the answer is obvious. The communities that "didn't vote for ex-confederates" were areas where many southerners still resisting occupation were sold out to the yankee forces. Federal troops in the south destroyed any chance at equality by the way they treated the population and imposed unpopular figures on them to actually create resentment. There was a stated attitude among many in the north to teach those in the South a lesson. When the occupiers left there was a backlash of course.

Further, The attrocities that you mention from the South pale when compared to what our northern "brothers" did when they invaded. Burning cities to the ground, burning crops to the ground, raping women, summary execution all were standard yankee practice. Given the standards of warfare at the time, most informed people would agree that the South was fairly moral in the way it conducted the war.

Once again, the truth is far different than the version you have been taught.

WRT East Tennessee, I lived there for twenty years. The central cities were supportive of remaining in the Union, but the vast majority of the people were not. There was a movement to form another state ala WVa., but it gained almost no support outside of the few industrialist that wanted to remain in the Union. This is another example of northern propoganda.

[GePap]

The only facts we need to know are that the North won, the South lost, and we move on.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The South lost, get over it already .

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The South lost, get over it already .

Of course, when you get back to Atlanta, that answer will change.



ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Naw, I'm in Atlanta BECAUSE the South lost .

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Yes, and...



and...



Gotta love Southern Nazis.

you're using works of fiction to prove some kind of point?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Naw, I'm in Atlanta BECAUSE the South lost .

That's probably true, it's the only reason I'm in Texas.....



ACK!

[GePap]

*whistles Battle Hymn of the Republic

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


As the North cut the economic engine of the south down they had to try to raise revenues wherever possible to survive. As I'm sure you were happy to overlook, you did say "re -open". In trying to dispel the truth you show evidence of what was really happening. Such is the way of yankee propoganda.

Yes, I did say re-open...it was closed by the constitution.

And if money was the driving factor here, why didn't Davis and Co toss the cotton embargo out the window? When they could have used that as a way to establish credit?

after all, pissing away money taking slaves from africa isn't exactly conducive to the war effort.

As you are referring to government official imposed on the population by an occupying force, I would think the answer is obvious.

So, in your mind it was an impossibility that whole counties of Arkansas along the Missouri border voted againest secession, and set up their own government, eh? Seems like you're victem to more twisting of History by the Neo-confeds.

The communities that "didn't vote for ex-confederates" were areas where many southerners still resisting occupation were sold out to the yankee forces.

Or they could have been areas where blacks -gasp- suddenly had the vote and voted! And whites who were of the bury-the-hatchet mentality!

Federal troops in the south destroyed any chance at equality by the way they treated the population and imposed unpopular figures on them

As opposed to the confederate government imposing drafts and military governors, eh? The Federal government gave blacks the vote....and troops remained to make sure ex-confedes didn't slaughter blacks and white republicans.

to actually create resentment. There was a stated attitude among many in the north to teach those in the South a lesson. When the occupiers left there was a backlash of course.

Of course. Now they could put those n*ggers and "Black republicans" in their place. Nevermind that President Johnson manage to derail most of the radicals plans. Only reason the troops remained was for fair elections that included black representation.

Further, The attrocities that you mention from the South pale when compared to what our northern "brothers" did when they invaded. Burning cities to the ground,

Yeah? Well...Atlanta, Columbia, Charleston, and Richmond were all burned by retreating confederates....Mobile was burned because some dumbass lit up in a gunpowder room (northern fault)...and that's it.

burning crops to the ground,

boohoo. crops grow back. I've never read of mass starvation of civilians.

raping women,

no more than Southern Soldiers and "Gentlemen" with their slaves.

summary execution

Yeah? Name a infamous summary execution. because, see, we know Confederate calvery rode into pro-union towns and killed people for the hell of it...we know Forrest gave orders to kill black soldiers on site, accept no surrenders.

all were standard yankee practice. Given the standards of warfare at the time, most informed people would agree that the South was fairly moral in the way it conducted the war.

Most informed people would say you've been brainwashed good.

Once again, the truth is far different than the version you have been taught.

I've been taught your distortions....I've also read up on the subject outside of High school history books. Try it.

WRT East Tennessee, I lived there for twenty years. The central cities were supportive of remaining in the Union, but the vast majority of the people were not. There was a movement to form another state ala WVa., but it gained almost no support outside of the few industrialist that wanted to remain in the Union. This is another example of northern propoganda.

Yeah? Wanna bet? In my CTM "A" school I had a Guy from the Smokey mountains area who was a true blue Mountain trash...er...person. He confimred what I read with stories his family told. You, on the other hand, sound as if you've been reading Southern HS History Texs all your life, and looking at UDC monuments. Figures.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by H Tower


you're using works of fiction to prove some kind of point?

No. I just like the Southern Nazi symbology that UberKrux used.