Celebrate July 3 AND July 4!

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Lonestar
boohoo. crops grow back. I've never read of mass starvation of civilians.

Oh, the Shenandoah valley ring a bell? Not only crops, but livestock and homes - what couldn't be "appropriated" was burned to the ground.

Yeah? Name a infamous summary execution.

How about torture and execution? Dee Jobe for one. Ordered summary execution for Morgan's cavalry, whether or not implicated in any violation of the articles of war. Pope's occupation orders. If you want to dig, you can find.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by MrFun
In honor of the courage of the 20th Maine soldiers under Col. Joshua Chamberlain.

Yours is fake. Mine are real.

Chamberlain was a hell of a leader, though.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Oh, the Shenandoah valley ring a bell? Not only crops, but livestock and homes - what couldn't be "appropriated" was burned to the ground.

I know Sheridan burned the Shenandoah to the ground...so? There wasn't widespread civilian starvation.

How about torture and execution? Dee Jobe for one. Ordered summary execution for Morgan's cavalry, whether or not implicated in any violation of the articles of war. Pope's occupation orders. If you want to dig, you can find.

Yeah,well, Pope was a d!ck.

But you saw the same on the confederate side with their treatment of black soldiers, so it isn't anything special.

[GePap]

And all that still matters is that the North won, the South lost, and we celebrate the 4th for all it stands for, inlcuding those union victories.

GO UNION!

[Drake Tungsten]

So who do you guys think would win a new Civil War in this day and age? My money's on the South; they no longer have a lot of the disadvantages of the first war and the Yankees are bigger pussies than they every were. It'd be over in a week.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


A major part had simply to do with the Monroe Doctrine - France and England still had imperial ambitions in this hemisphere, and after the land theft from Mexico in the Mexican "war" the US was the dominant power in the hemisphere.

A live CSA would have not only restrained US power, it would be free to conduct it's own foreign policy wrt England and France, and the rest of the hemisphere.

There was also a longstanding economic rivalry between northern manufacturers and mills, and southern resource producers.

Yep an independent Confederacy that fought for its independence would have gone on to conquer Mexico, Central America, and the Carribbean to gain control over plantation economies based on slavery.

lovely

[MichaeltheGreat]

I love how you can just spin alternative history out of the orifice of your choice. Such an exceptional ability.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I love how you can just spin alternative history out of the orifice of your choice. Such an exceptional ability.

You cannot deny the primary sources that show some Confederate leaders proposing ambitious plans to conquer parts of the Western hemisphere to create a slave-based economic empire under Southern states' control.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So who do you guys think would win a new Civil War in this day and age? My money's on the South; they no longer have a lot of the disadvantages of the first war and the Yankees are bigger pussies than they every were. It'd be over in a week.

Hmm....

Tank plants' in Ohio...

Boeing Plants are in Seattle and Missouri...

Commercial shipyards divided 50/50

Lockheed Titan plants in Colorado...

Northrup Grumman in Cali

Raytheon in Boston, Cali

FMC in Fresno....

hmm...

hmmm...

North.

[Az]

I can't believe I am actually doing this.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

[Drake Tungsten]

Boeing Plants are in Seattle and Missouri...

Lockheed Titan plants in Colorado...

Northrup Grumman in Cali

Raytheon in Boston, Cali

FMC in Fresno....

How do you know these states would side with the Union? Maybe Cali, since they're all hippies, but Colorado and Missouri have their fair share of rednecks. As a resident of a state not involved in the first Civil War, I can say that many here might side with the South, if only because we hate arrogant Yankees as much as they do.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Hmmm... Fort Hood, Texas; Fort Benning, Georgia; Fort Stewart, Georgia; Fort Campbell, Kentucky (mostly in Tennessee), Fort Bragg, North Carolina; Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

South.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by MrFun


You cannot deny the primary sources that show some Confederate leaders proposing ambitious plans to conquer parts of the Western hemisphere to create a slave-based economic empire under Southern states' control.

What an individual suggests rhetorically is a bit different from national policy.


So I suppose the US is going to revoke the 19th Amendment because Ann Coulter said it was a mistake to give women the vote and the right likes to listen to her?

[Az]

Btw, You'd think that 150 years later, you'd get over this.

[Drake Tungsten]

Btw, You'd think that 150 years later, you'd get over this.

Who are you to talk? The Jews still aren't over Massada.