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[Inverse Icarus]

i dont see how backing the south, who continually enslaved a people and led to many deaths is any less offensive than backing nazi germany. i don't see how showing the symbols of said groups is ay different.

just because the germans were better at it means it's taboo?

you asked for it, boy:

that line of speech is awfully reminissant of slaveholder's addressing slaves, boy.

edit by MichaelTheHateMonger:

The swastika/Nazi symbol prohibition is already an established rule. Nothing else is.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
There is actually an organization taking root called The League of The South. They are currently trying to organize political parties in the south under the name of The Independence Party. Membership is still low, but is apparently fast growing.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
i dont see how backing the south, who continually enslaved a people and led to many deaths is any less offensive than backing nazi germany. i don't see how showing the symbols of said groups is ay different.

Different subject, but if you want to start a thread on the distinctions, you're welcome to.

just because the germans were better at it means it's taboo?

The Nazis initiated a war of aggression to conquer and subjugate other nations, AND instituted the largest organized genocide in history, AND practiced slave labor with prisoners and captive populations. A bit of a shade of difference there.

you asked for it, boy:

that line of speech is awfully reminissant of slaveholder's addressing slaves, boy.

You might want to take something for that obstruction - constipation can be bad for you. MrFun and I have gone at each other over this subject for well over a year, so if you can't handle the joke, too damn bad, it wasn't directed at you.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
The Nazis initiated a war of aggression to conquer and subjugate other nations, AND instituted the largest organized genocide in history, AND practiced slave labor with prisoners and captive populations. A bit of a shade of difference there.

i don't see how the south is much different, save the middle one. perhaps the south didn't actively go out and subjigate the people, but they had no bones about letting it thrive.

[Kuciwalker]

The Confederacy was the aggressor, actually. They started the war by attacking a Union fortress.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
i dont see how backing the south, who continually enslaved a people and led to many deaths is any less offensive than backing nazi germany. i don't see how showing the symbols of said groups is ay different.

just because the germans were better at it means it's taboo?

1st of all, you speak as if the north never had slavery. Ha!

2nd, Most of the founding fathers had slaves...by your logic we should equate them to Hitler? Give me a break.

3rd, All the South wanted (and still wants) was to be left alone. You yankees have your ideas...that's fine. Where we take offense is when you try to impose them on us. The Germans were expansionist, genocidal thugs. There is NO correlation with the South then or now...Boy.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Nor did the north when it was useful - they built the ships and bankrolled it (northern banks had over 130,000,000 in outstanding slave loans to southern landholders at the time of Sumter, which was a hell of a lot of money in those days)

The English were quite happy with it when they were in the colonizing business, etc. etc.

The south didn't launch any war of aggression - the south fought purely to achieve it's independence.

[Kuciwalker]

MtG: they had already gained their "independence". They then attacked Union troops. THEY were the agressors.

The south just wanted to be let alone, so it could oppress people in without interference

[Spiffor]

Can anybody tell me why the North wanted to crush the south ?
I doubt the politicians of that time would have risked hundreds of thousands of lives and the collapse of the fledgling economy just to save slaves, so please tell me about the other motives, thanks .

[Kuciwalker]

Because Lincoln was a visionary and actually cared about the slavery issue, maybe?

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by skywalker
Because Lincoln was a visionary and actually cared about the slavery issue, maybe?

HA!

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Can anybody tell me why the North wanted to crush the south ?
I doubt the politicians of that time would have risked hundreds of thousands of lives and the collapse of the fledgling economy just to save slaves, so please tell me about the other motives, thanks .

it wasn't that we WANTED to slaughter them, its just we had a cannon and we were shooting at a fly.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Can anybody tell me why the North wanted to crush the south ?
I doubt the politicians of that time would have risked hundreds of thousands of lives and the collapse of the fledgling economy just to save slaves, so please tell me about the other motives, thanks .

Because it was half of the states trying to leave? And it would have meant the USA wouldn't be the undisputed "Big Boy" of North America anymore.

[Inverse Icarus]

Edit by MtG

Cute, Uber.

You've been told several times over months that swastikas and nazi symbols aren't allowed.

You've played games with your avatar (remember the swastika of hammers and sickles), and you've played other games before.

Since you fancy yourself some kind of guardhouse lawyer on the rules, I'll give you a week to think of the next big stunt.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by skywalker
The south just wanted to be let alone, so it could oppress people in without interference

Crap. Most Southern states were already discussing an end to slavery. Topics included things like retraining to prepare them to be able to function in society. Almost noone expected that slavery would last another 15-20 years. What the yankees did, far from really freeing slaves, was to destroy te economy around them and put them in a position to be 2nd class citizens for the next 100 years.

Nothing could be truer than the Victors write the history books. The truth about the south is far from what you learned in your yankee high school.