Things that makes you a TRUE MAN

[JohnT]

"You are the guy who plays grabass with his male friends in the sauna, right?"

OUCH!

Game, set, and match: Asher.

[Sava]

I said that showing love to own family is about how far the man shows it.

nah... what about friends? or even war? I recently read an article about US soldiers who are dealing with emotional problems and post-traumatic stress after seeing some horrors in Iraq.

A real man isn't scared of social norms or mores in terms of expressing himself. I've cried before... I've cried in front of girlfriends before. Life is hard, and sometimes you need to share what's bothering you. To hold everything in, puff your chest out and act like a hardass isn't manly... it's being to chickensh1t to express yourself.

Sava dude calls my homophobic

not quite... reread what I wrote.

[Pekka]

Hey, it's not like I invented the game. And it's not like I enforce it and others are like 'Oh no here he goes again I really don't want this' and shaking their heads in disbelief. It is you who are homophobes! Hanging naked outdoors and having a beer (not necessary) while having a brake from sauna IS manly. I don't know what it is with nudity and you guys, but seems to me that you are the ones having a problem.......

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Pekka
Asher, that's right, and this Sava dude calls my homophobic!

Besides, it's not grabass, it's spanking. It hurts, thus it's manly.

...you are hilarious

[Asher]

Originally posted by Pekka
Hey, it's not like I invented the game. And it's not like I enforce it and others are like 'Oh no here he goes again I really don't want this' and shaking their heads in disbelief. It is you who are homophobes! Hanging naked outdoors and having a beer (not necessary) while having a brake from sauna IS manly. I don't know what it is with nudity and you guys, but seems to me that you are the ones having a problem.......

So Finns don't see anything vaguely homoerotic about a bunch of sweaty teenage boys spanking eachother vigorously in the sauna?

[Sava]

Hanging naked outdoors and having a beer (not necessary) while having a brake from sauna IS manly. I don't know what it is with nudity and you guys, but seems to me that you are the ones having a problem.......

what are you talking about? I never said anything about your homosexual activities!

[JohnT]

Who here thinks that Pekka is going to wake up one morning and realize he's gay? Raise your hand.

[MrFun]

Not being a chauvinistic pig and realizing that I can be masculine and still have a heart.

[Pekka]

Sava, yeah, but you don't have to be kissing them all the time to show your love, and it still doesn't mean you're stuck up and homophobe. You can show it with even more powerfull ways, showing solidarity when it counts and being there for buddies and defending them against whoever it is they need to be defended against (not necessarily a physical confrontation).

And in wars, there's a time and place to let it out. And that's called sauna. There you can talk all you want, because every man knows it stays there and you're not looked weaker if you let it out there.

[Pekka]

Asher, No.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Pekka
Sava, yeah, but you don't have to be kissing them all the time to show your love, and it still doesn't mean you're stuck up and homophobe. You can show it with even more powerfull ways, showing solidarity when it counts and being there for buddies and defending them against whoever it is they need to be defended against (not necessarily a physical confrontation).

And in wars, there's a time and place to let it out. And that's called sauna.

Yeah, whenever you're feeling down go to the sauna and smack some ass.

[Sava]

Sava, yeah, but you don't have to be kissing them all the time to show your love

I said expressing... not kissing... you are misinterpretting my posts.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Pekka
Asher, No.

Is Finland's population decreasing, by any chance?

[Pekka]

I'm not going to fall on your traps and start denying and shouting 'I'm nto gayy nooo noooo'.. and by doing that only adding fuel to the fire .

If hanging naked all the time counts as gay, then I must be one. But if being gay means that I have romantic and sexual feelings for the same gender, then I'm sorry but I'm not gay. You provide no proof, you provide NOTHING! You just want to make up gays.... criminals!!

[Sava]

You provide no proof, you provide NOTHING! You just want to make up gays.... criminals!!

I'll warm up the helicopter