Madison IA64 Released -- Fastest CPU Ever

[Panag]

Originally posted by monolith94
Oooooh he didn't wish you a nice day...

You've pissed him off now!

hi ,

who pissed who off , ....

maybe its time for something else , .......

adios

[Panag]

Originally posted by Asher
I feel so special now.

hi ,

you should , all them dryboned grumphy young men get a nice day , ..... you get something special , .....

see ya

[Asher]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

you should , all them dryboned grumphy young men get a nice day , ..... you get something special , .....

see ya

Oh panag, I didn't know!

[Skanky Burns]

[Cruddy]

When's the wedding? Is Apolyton invited?

Seriously, I can't see much point comparing IA64 and G5. They're aimed at totally different markets (and no, I'm not about to start slinging mud on either side).

As I recall, part of the deal with IA64 was that the actual language compilers would need rewritten to deal with the new coding conventions... it's takes time to bug test these, and then you can start writing/recompiling the IA64 apps. Not that this is new, it's been going on for a while.

To be honest, I couldn't give a stuff what servers use, be it Opteron, IA64, DEC or a giant mouse. So long as it gives better Internet bandwidth at reduced cost, who cares?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Cruddy
When's the wedding? Is Apolyton invited?

Seriously, I can't see much point comparing IA64 and G5. They're aimed at totally different markets (and no, I'm not about to start slinging mud on either side).

As I recall, part of the deal with IA64 was that the actual language compilers would need rewritten to deal with the new coding conventions... it's takes time to bug test these, and then you can start writing/recompiling the IA64 apps. Not that this is new, it's been going on for a while.

To be honest, I couldn't give a stuff what servers use, be it Opteron, IA64, DEC or a giant mouse. So long as it gives better Internet bandwidth at reduced cost, who cares?

hi ,

héy , ...... we are just good friends okay

well the g5 is in stores now , with its 8 gig or ram , ......

and that ia64 not yet , .....

and as for your last line , thats exactly why we have macs , .....

have a nice day

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Asher

It's not that 64-bit is much different than 32-bit, it's that VLIW is completely and totally different than x86...

Algorithms that worked efficiently on x86 may run like crap on VLIW, and vice versa.

There's a lot more work to getting programs working on a whole new architecture aside from changing the compiler.

And in modern terms, C/C++/Fortran are certainly not HLL. HLL are C#, Java, etc.

C/C++/Fortran are mid-level.

Asher man grow up an Algorithm is an Algorithm is an Algorithm. The compiler does the reordering stuff and not the HLL.
And besides C# is C++ with some "syntactic sugar" as our Lecturer constantly called the features of C# (delegates, properties, ...) and he explained how you could do that in Java as well.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Asher man grow up an Algorithm is an Algorithm is an Algorithm. The compiler does the reordering stuff and not the HLL.

That's only part of it.

If it was truly that easy, why can't people just take regular C++ code for x86 and compile it and magically have IA-64 code?

And besides C# is C++ with some "syntactic sugar" as our Lecturer constantly called the features of C# (delegates, properties, ...) and he explained how you could do that in Java as well.

C# is more than C++ with some "syntactic sugar", it runs through a virtual machine (hence it is true HLL, not mid-level like C++), has stuff like garbage collection, and is truly object-oriented (no primitive types ala C++)

[Asher]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

héy , ...... we are just good friends okay

well the g5 is in stores now , with its 8 gig or ram , ......;

The G5 doesn't go for sale for months...

and that ia64 not yet , .....

IA64 chips have been for sale for years, and Madison is for sale right now.

[Atahualpa]

definition of a HLL includes "runs through a virtual machine"

HLL != everything is object oriented

[Asher]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
definition of a HLL includes "runs through a virtual machine"

It's true, that's a true high-level language.

C/C++ are both mid-level.

HLL != everything is object oriented

Um. No kidding.
It's a HLL because it runs through a virtual machine. It truly doesn't care about which architecture it's on, and C++/C certainly does care what architecture it's on.

[Atahualpa]

Maybe you mix 4th Generation Language and HLL

[monolith94]

"well the g5 is in stores now , with its 8 gig or ram , ......;"
"The G5 doesn't go for sale for months..."

The truth is, as usual, somewhere in between the extremes - the G5 is slated to come out late next month, although delays are still possible (not probable).

[Asher]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Maybe you mix 4th Generation Language and HLL

No, maybe you don't understand what a HLL is?

A HLL is completely abstracted from the hardware beneath this.

Quite obviously, C++ doesn't count, because you can't simply switch the compiler and have it work on, say, IA-64.

However, with a language like Java or C#, this is entirely the case. Because it runs through an interpreter, it is truly a HLL.

C and C++ are not HLL, they used to be regarded as such a long time ago because, compared to machine code and assembly, it was "high" level. But it's not high anymore, it's just mid-level.

High-level languages are completely abstracted from the hardware, like Java/C#.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Asher

The G5 doesn't go for sale for months...


IA64 chips have been for sale for years, and Madison is for sale right now.

hi ,

it seems you can order one true the apple store , .....

have a nice one