Madison IA64 Released -- Fastest CPU Ever

[Asher]

The difference being, I have some idea what I'm talking about.

panag obviously even has trouble reading, let alone understanding what he's saying.

He's regurgitating marketing bull**** from Apple, from years ago mind you, thinking no one knows enough to call him on it. That's probably the case, in the Mac forums he hangs out in.

But here in the real world, people will probably correct you.

[monolith94]

OK, so apple has an L2 cache in the G5, at 'the norm' of 512KB... that's not TERRIBLE. You made it sound as if the G5 had no cache at all...

[Asher]

Originally posted by monolith94
OK, so apple has an L2 cache in the G5, at 'the norm' of 512KB... that's not TERRIBLE. You made it sound as if the G5 had no cache at all...

The G5 has zero L3 cache.
It has 512KB of L2 cache, at a time when Intel/AMD are moving to 1MB.

512KB isn't bad, it's just half of what it should be.

[monolith94]

well, hell, I want 60GB L3 cache now!

[Wraith]

--"IBM has announced 8+-way Opteron servers?"

Duals, for now. AMD only just launched the 4+ line, though, and IBM tends to be conservative about that sort of thing.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/24/HNibmcluster_1.html?platforms

Newisys has announced a 32 way Opteron server, and they're mostly made of up of ex-IBM people.

Not to mention Cray's little order of 10,000 Opterons for Red Storm.

--"So it's rather convenient, then, that all the motherboards chose 16GB as a limit?"

You do realize that not many chipsets are out yet, right? The stuff that's out is all pretty much focused on the single or dual workstation/server market. There's only so much RAM you can cram on one of those boards, especially if you're after high speed and ECC.

--"What's the address bits on the Opteron? 42?"

40 (I think) in the first gen, but it was designed so they can increase it later if necessary.

Wraith
A book a day - that's all we ask

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Asher

It's not just that, but the Opteron can only work in systems with up to 8 CPUs (not to mention that only 3 vendors support 4+ CPUs for Opteron, and I've never heard of any of them, they're small-time Texas companies).

Opteron also can only address 16GB of data. Which is rather small for a 64-bit chip...

On point one, this is wrong, the cpu's can easily be linked together in numbers over 8. The 10,000 chip Redstorm from Cray is a good example. The Opteron is far more effectively scalable than the The reasons you 16gb of ram claim are bogus have already been covered. Why don't you just make things up, your current claims are equally accurate.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mordoch
On point one, this is wrong, the cpu's can easily be linked together in numbers over 8. The 10,000 chip Redstorm from Cray is a good example. The Opteron is far more effectively scalable than the The reasons you 16gb of ram claim are bogus have already been covered. Why don't you just make things up, your current claims are equally accurate.

How are the 16GB RAM claims bogus when there's not a chipset out there that will address more? A system is only as strong as its weakest link.

And as for the linking them up in numbers over 8, isn't that clustering?

[Wraith]

--"How are the 16GB RAM claims bogus when there's not a chipset out there that will address more?"

How much could you put in the systems that were out at Itanium launch? I mean, if you want to keep this argument up, I'd be happy to take the other side and restrict the Itanium side of things to what was available at the original launch...

--"And as for the linking them up in numbers over 8, isn't that clustering?"

Depends how it's done. If you've got seperate boxes of 8 or less that are linked by some kind of network, it'd be a cluster. It's a cheaper way to go about it, but isn't quite as efficient as putting everything in the same box (ie. on the same switching fabric/backplane/what have you).
Newisys isn't taking that route, at any rate. They're doing the HT switch it'll take to link 32 processors on the same board.

Wraith
I was born weird-- this terrible compulsion to behave normally is the result of childhood trauma

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wraith
How much could you put in the systems that were out at Itanium launch? I mean, if you want to keep this argument up, I'd be happy to take the other side and restrict the Itanium side of things to what was available at the original launch...

RAM densities were lower then.

Newisys isn't taking that route, at any rate. They're doing the HT switch it'll take to link 32 processors on the same board.

Cool.

[Panag]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What have you done?!

Originally posted by Asher

You do realize that that's certainly not a G5 only restriction.

You're like an Apple marketing droid.

hi ,

thanks microsoft droid

bye

[monolith94]

Oooooh he didn't wish you a nice day...

You've pissed him off now!

[Drake Tungsten]

[Asher]

Is that a first for him?

[monolith94]

I think so...

Yes I'm pretty sure...

...have a nice day...

[Asher]

I feel so special now.