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**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:10

Originally posted by Wraith
Like IBM, you mean?

IBM has announced 8+-way Opteron servers?

Link, please.

You're wrong about that one, actually. There's a difference between what the Opteron can address and what current memory modules can provide on current motherboards. The CPU itself can address 1TB of physical memory.

So it's rather convenient, then, that all the motherboards chose 16GB as a limit?

What's the address bits on the Opteron? 42?

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 20:11

Originally posted by Asher

But OS X 10.3 can only see 2GB of it.

Oh well, have fun at your party. I hope some of your guests are smart enough to get amusement out of you.

hi ,

really , ......

you know better then that , ....

and btw , it aint going to be running with that OS , ....

and this is going to be a party of two only " panag ( thats 1 ) and the comp ( thats 2 ) , .....

there are going to be loads of these little parties in the building when they come , ....

have a nice one

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:12

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

might all be well , but when is that in the store , ..... when , ......

as long as it aint commercially of the shelf it does no-one good , .....

it has to be build in a comp with an OS , .....

and by the time it does , there shall be a new mac comp aswell , ......

have a nice day

People don't buy these babies on the shelves. They're for professionals, G5s are for inept Mac users.

It's like going to a used car lot, you're not likely to find a Ferrari F50 there, but you'll find lots of Oldsmobile Delta 88s.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 20:13

Re: What have you done?!

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Asher, for the love of god, read the man's location field. We've been keeping it cool for years but now we must live in terror yet again.

hi ,

thats why there are now export regulations on the G chips from apple , .....

have a good day

now , go out and buy protective clothing , ....

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 20:15

Originally posted by Asher

People don't buy these babies on the shelves. They're for professionals, G5s are for inept Mac users.

It's like going to a used car lot, you're not likely to find a Ferrari F50 there, but you'll find lots of Oldsmobile Delta 88s.

hi ,

oh no , ...... then visit the new Chicago apple store , .....

and they aint for inept mac users , .....

they are for people who can wait between turns on a huge map with 31 civ's in ptw , .....

have a nice day

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:15

Re: Re: What have you done?!

Originally posted by panag
thats why there are now export regulations on the G chips from apple , .....

That was years ago, and it was because the Apple marketing department unearthed an ancient law which stated any computer faster than 1 Gigaflop had to have export regulations on it.

Nevermind that PC chips exceeded that limit long ago, nobody cared.

And no regulations were ever imposed, the law was simply updated (1 Teraflop, IIRC?)

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:17

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

oh no , ...... then visit the new Chicago apple store , .....

and they aint for inept mac users , ....

What the hell is this supposed to mean?

they are for people who can wait between turns on a huge map with 31 civ's in ptw , .....

have a nice day

If that was true, Apple would have zero customers right now.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 20:20

Re: Re: Re: What have you done?!

Originally posted by Asher

That was years ago, and it was because the Apple marketing department unearthed an ancient law which stated any computer faster than 1 Gigaflop had to have export regulations on it.

Nevermind that PC chips exceeded that limit long ago, nobody cared.

And no regulations were ever imposed, the law was simply updated (1 Teraflop, IIRC?)

hi ,

check again , .....

try to export it to yemen , syria , and a bunch of other nations , ......

have a nice day

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:21

Re: Re: Re: Re: What have you done?!

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

check again , .....

try to export it to yemen , syria , and a bunch of other nations , ......

have a nice day

You do realize that that's certainly not a G5 only restriction.

You're like an Apple marketing droid.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 20:22

Originally posted by Asher

What the hell is this supposed to mean?

If that was true, Apple would have zero customers right now.

hi ,

but aint that what you say what you hope for , .....

, that aint funny , .....

btw , its a typo , there should have been a " T " , as in canT wait inbetween turns , ......

but its a good joke , .....

allas , see ya next time

**monolith94** · July 1, 2003, 20:26

"So why buy the G5 if the G4 plays Max Payne?"

Half-Life 2.

BTW - do some fact checking. 10.3 isn't out yet, and won't be out until after the G5 comes out - it is going to be 64 bit.

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:32

Originally posted by monolith94
Half-Life 2.

BTW - do some fact checking. 10.3 isn't out yet, and won't be out until after the G5 comes out - it is going to be 64 bit.

Apple would've mentioned it if it was. Comon, you know Apple.

"World's first 64-bit desktop operating system!!!"

The general consensus is the 64-bit version isn't ready. Which isn't a surprise, it's not like you flick a switch and it's 64-bit...

They'll probably call the 64-bit version OS 11 or something. 32-bit to 64-bit move is big, not worthy of a .1 upgrade.

**monolith94** · July 1, 2003, 20:38

I don't think either of us can say for certain. What I just said is what the mac community thinks is coming. We've dealt more and for a longer period of time with apple than you have, and trust us, we DO take what apple says with a grain of salt.

Could you explain to me what L3 cache is, btw?

**Asher** · July 1, 2003, 20:43

Originally posted by monolith94
Could you explain to me what L3 cache is, btw?

Sure.

The CPUs these days work by fetching data from memory, then working on them.

By far, the fastest (instantaneous) access is in system registers. There's a limited number of these on each chip, the data is moved from memory (RAM, HD) into these registers and operated on, and the result is stored in another register.

But chips have things called a cache that usually sits on the CPU, or really close to it, to put stuff it uses a lot. The idea is by moving things much closer to the chip, with much more bandwidth, it can get it far faster (hundreds of thousands times faster, even).

There are up to 3 levels of cache usually: L1, L2, and L3.

L1 is Level 1, it's very very very fast, but also very small (32KB or so).
L2 is Level 2, it's very very fast, but moderately small (512KB is the norm today, PCs are moving to 1024KB in September)
L3 is Level 3, and is almost always found only in servers. Apple kinda cheated, they put regular DDR SDRAM near the chip and called it L3. While technically correct, it's not very fast. Chips like the Itanium II have this L3 cache physically built into the chip, and it's far faster.

If the data the CPU is looking for isn't in the L1, L2, or L3 caches, it goes to the RAM. There's a HUGE delay pentalty to do this.

And if it's not in the RAM, it tries the virtual memory on the harddrive. Literally millions of times slower than a cache.

**Drake Tungsten** · July 1, 2003, 20:45

Originally posted by Asher
You're like an Apple marketing droid.

Oh, sweet irony!

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