I hate to break this to you guys, but . . .

[gunkulator]

Imran:

It's one thing to be a member of the intelligensia, quite another to actually rule and make the decisions for the country

Bush the Elder was really a Mainer. He was only a Texan for tax purposes. Both co-presidents Clinton have shown their true Yankee stripes as dyed in the wool New Yorkers. During their term they hung out on Martha's Vineyard. Reagan was as Californian as one can get. Who does that leave?: GBII and an ineffective peanut farmer. Egads, you can have 'em!

Oh and btw, the most important Americans ever were from Maine - the 20th Maine to be precise.

[Velociryx]

20th Maine!!! A school teacher named Chamberlain, if memory serves, fought one of the best small engagements ever.

-=Vel=-

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
"the Heartland" = America

That one seem a keeper, no matter how obnoxious.

Manhattan = New York City

[lord of the mark]

who runs things:

Cabinet: rummy from Illinois. Ashcroft Missouri. Ridge from New Jersey (theres one for the Northeast, but not Ivy, I think) Snow - cant recall his origin - corporate guy who moved around alot i think. Powell - NYC (NOT manhattan) but career military, so its been a long time since he hung out in the Bronx. Condi Rice - California.
Congress - Hastert - Illinois, but real power is Delay Texas. Pelosi - Calif. Daschle - SD. Frist - Tenn.
Technology - Well California, first and foremost. Massachusetts, but also northern Virginia, Oregon, Texas.
Finance - well NYC of course, but also Chicago, and North Carolina.

Lots of southern boys and girls go to Harvard and Yale, and then head to DC, or back to the South, or even to the New York Times (heaven help us!) to run things. Its just difficult to move universities, or start new ones - theyre not like, say, banks.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Odin
Fundies are idiots, the south is a slumhole.

Minneaplois is the brains.

do you people really think every southerner is a fundie? the south is home of the oldest catholic diocese in the US (St. Augustine) and the oldest Reform Jewish congregation (Charleston, SC) not to mention loads of episcopalians and other mainstream protestants, and even an occasional agnostic or two. And a heck of a lot of Hindu motel keepers. And black churches like Martin Luther Kings church in Atlanta.

Maybe y'all should get out a bit more?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Carver


More and more so everyday, it is. The major southern cities: Atlanta, Charlotte, and even Mobile are socio-culturally removed from The South. The South's voting power is substantial but the interests those votes represent continue to change.

Yeah well is New York City culturally close to Syracuse, Pennsylvania Dutch country, or New Hampshire. Id venture the Southern cities are more socio-culturally rooted in their regions than most other large American cities, largely cause theyve been settled by domestic migrants more than immigrants.

BTW, i lived in Jacksonville, FL, and it was VERY southern. Ask Guevara.

[Drake Tungsten]

BTW, i lived in Jacksonville, FL, and it was VERY southern. Ask Guevara.

One of my friends is from Jacksonville and he says that it's in south Georgia, not Florida.