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**Asher** · June 25, 2003, 19:50

Originally posted by Cruddy
As for being profound - those who choose cool hardware without even thinking what softwre they will run on it have their decisions arse about face. The fact is Asher, people who have invested in a large Mac suite will opt for G5 and not your beloved combinations - and that's the part that really hurts you.

The fact is, Cruddy, this thread is about the G5 and Apple's marketing expertise with bull****. You're welcome to start another thread saying people can buy what they want, but no one will post anything aside from "No ****!"

So what if Apple were economical with the truth? All manufacturers do this.

Not nearly to the extent of Apple.
Go look at Intel.com, compare the two.

Intel doesn't even compare their processors to anyone else's, even though it's widely accepted that they're the fastest.

Apple goes out of its way to make grand claims and exaggerations and blatant lies to try to sell products. That works on some people, but not on me.

I would be soooo much happier if instead of marketing bull**** specs and hype, that they focus on quality and user experience and style. Then they'd probably gain marketshare -- that's their bread and butter. This "supercomputer" crap is just embarrassing for them, they can do so much better. The G5 is certainly a capable chip, too.

**Agathon** · June 25, 2003, 19:50

You know I don't even care what Asher thinks. But it is fun to wind him up and watch him go.

**Asher** · June 25, 2003, 19:52

Originally posted by Agathon
You know I don't even care what Asher thinks. But it is fun to wind him up and watch him go.

I knew you'd casually ignore my post which absolutely shot down every Mac user's bull**** over the past few days.

Good on you for being predictably bland!

And trust me, you gave me plenty of entertainment today at work. It's really easy to argue with people who are clueless, you know that? And then it's just strangely satisfying when you make one post that annihilates the core of their argument, then they look around for a bit and make a stupid comment like the one above. ("I was just joking! No, really! I didn't make 7,000-character posts here..."

)

**Agathon** · June 25, 2003, 19:54

Originally posted by Asher

I knew you'd casually ignore my post which absolutely shot down every Mac user's bull**** over the past few days.

No. I just realised that if I want a reasonable analysis of Apple's so called misconduct (since that is what the thread is supposed to be about), the last person I'd believe would be you.

**Asher** · June 25, 2003, 19:56

Originally posted by Agathon
No. I just realised that if I want a reasonable analysis of Apple's so called misconduct (since that is what the thread is supposed to be about), the last person I'd believe would be you.

The quotes are right out of their own PDF, and you're free to look at it themselves! I swear, anyone who can read can figure out how bad the test was.

Why do you think everyone's blasted them for it so quickly?

You have to admit how stupid it is for them to do that. It hurts their reputation with all the publicity they're getting over lying.

The reason you're ignoring it is because you're doing the childish "lalala I can't hear you" routine. Don't try to excuse it with some ad hominem against me.

**Asher** · June 25, 2003, 19:57

Want other people's "analysis" of it then, Agathon?

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http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1136018,00.asp

ExtremeTech is the Web's top destination for news and analysis of emerging science and technology trends, and important software, hardware, and gadgets.

**Cruddy** · June 25, 2003, 19:58

Originally posted by Asher

It's really easy to argue with people who are clueless, you know that? And then it's just strangely satisfying when you make one post that annihilates the core of their argument

Yes

**Imran Siddiqui** · June 25, 2003, 20:00

I'm sure this thread can get to 500 posts... easily!

**Asher** · June 25, 2003, 20:00

Cruddy, you're so out of it that you clearly didn't even know what was being argued.

Must be nice, living in that world of yours.

**Cruddy** · June 25, 2003, 20:05

Originally posted by Asher
Cruddy, you're so out of it that you clearly didn't even know what was being argued.

Must be nice, living in that world of yours.

Amazing. You just can't see it, can you... so you resort to personal attacks when it's plain that people who like Macs will stick to them.

What's the matter Asher? You really don't get it that people don't have to go Wintel to have a successful, enjoyable computing experience?

Or maybe that non-Wintel users have a MORE enjoyable experience?

You put up a thread saying Apple are announcing a new machine - and then you go balls out to find every weakness in their argument.

Not even realising the weakness in your own - that P4's DON'T COMPETE WITH RUNNING MAC SOFTWARE!!!

Got it now? Or do I have to use a bigger point size?

**Drake Tungsten** · June 25, 2003, 20:14

Honest to god, I don't know which one of you is lamer... I'm just glad I abandoned the thread pages ago...

I couldn't agree more.

We all know Asher is never going to get past this pathetic stage in his life, but I still hold out hope for Agathon. This statement reminds me of my own enlightenment...

You know I don't even care what Asher thinks. But it is fun to wind him up and watch him go.

Asher's only good for entertainment purposes. Take him seriously and you've let the tool triumph. Remember that, young Agathon, and you will be on the path to true wisdom.

**Agathon** · June 25, 2003, 20:16

Originally posted by Asher
Want other people's "analysis" of it then, Agathon?

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1136018,00.asp

OK - Did you actually read this? And did you know that Apple has responded to these accusations today?

But if you think this is such a good article then I point you toward the conclusion. You know, the conclusion, where he sums up his view.

I wanted to believe that Apple had dispensed with the marketing mumbo-jumbo and backed its exemplary interface and software design with hardware that could do it justice.

It might have. No independent agency has had a chance to give the G5 a good going-over, and we can remain hopeful.

The last sentence expresses roughly what Cloud9 and I have been saying for most of the thread (as far as I can remember).

So either you are going to admit that this guy has it right (because you are putting him forward as an authority on the subject) in which case Cloud9 and I win the argument; or you admit that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, in which case you are an idiot for putting him forward as an authority - and we win; or you didn't read it and you are being dishonest - and Cloud9 and I win the argument.

Whichever way it goes you are screwed. You really have to be more careful about what you link to.

**Agathon** · June 25, 2003, 20:20

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

We all know Asher is never going to get past this pathetic stage in his life, but I still hold out hope for Agathon. This statement reminds me of my own enlightenment...

Come on, you use Mac, don't you? I'm sticking up for our side against the evil infidel hordes (well Asher anyway).

Actually, I wasn't going to post in this thread because I could see where it was going. I suppose that's weakness of will on my part.

That's all from me on that topic. I think I might wander over to the SW vs ST thread where matters of real import are being argued.

Are you going to get Panther, Drake? Your system should run it quite nicely.

**Drake Tungsten** · June 25, 2003, 20:23

Are you going to get Panther, Drake? Your system should run it quite nicely.

Don't know yet. I'll wait until I find out in more detail what sort of upgrades it involves.

**Cruddy** · June 25, 2003, 20:24

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
We all know Asher is never going to get past this pathetic stage in his life, but I still hold out hope for Agathon. This statement reminds me of my own enlightenment...

Leave me out of that "We". Asher is OK but somewhat narrow-viewed. Give him a few years for the damp to dry behind his ears.

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