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Colon, UR - doesn't this mean that once China opens all its systems it becomes bestest in everything? Why not?
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I don't know. Though Singapore is worried. Lee Kuan Yew once lamented, "How can we compete with a country that will have 10 times the production of Japan?"
Methinks he exaggerated just a bit.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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yeah, but if we agree that India has the advantage of halfway democracy and halfway open markets, and we can see that China is far ahead even through planned economy (which was just an argument for India's weakness, they used planned economy), I can only logically deduce that once China has open markets it will boom out the rest of Asia.
And I'm not certain if that would be a stabilising factor
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I think you've been missing out on China's history since the death of Mao. They've abandoned old fashioned planned economics for quite a while already. (it's even in the article this thread is supposed to be about)Originally posted by Ecthelion
yeah, but if we agree that India has the advantage of halfway democracy and halfway open markets, and we can see that China is far ahead even through planned economy (which was just an argument for India's weakness, they used planned economy), I can only logically deduce that once China has open markets it will boom out the rest of Asia.
And I'm not certain if that would be a stabilising factor
I bet it would be a stabilising factor. A lot of PRC's bluster towards Taiwan is intended to keep the military happy and to divert domestic discontent. (since there's plenty of discontent that doesn't have an outlet in representative polls)
I also think a democratic China wouldn't let North Korea off the hook that easily.
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Bull****. I have a good friend in India who's working her butt off at an IT corp from dusk till dawn for 6 days a week. She's often still at the office when many people in Belgium have already finished their working day. (and there's a time difference of +5:30 hours) And she gets paid 250€ a month.Originally posted by The Vagabond
Another factor in favor of the Chinese is that they seem to be very hard-working and enduring. As for the Indians, they don't seem to distinguish themselves in this respect from other nationalities.
Indian workers are the best deal you can have. They work hard, they're well educated and they don't complain. If that country wouldn't have such a godawful infrastructure and administration it would be roaring to the #1 spot.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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But India has a 1 billion person marketplace, so there's not much difference there. I still say that China's geographical advantage is it's relative close proximity to the more receptive markets of the Pacific Rim vs. India's proximity to Europe. Anyway, with regaads to software, doesn't India actually surpass China in software production? I think that neither China or India get top dollar for their software products.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Ah, but they will be crushed as well.
Consider that Indian IT companies have compete worldwide, but Chinese ones don't, because there's a 1.2 billion persons market place for Chinese software. Japanese and Korean companies have similar but smaller advantages."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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I read about this movement in "The India Times", India's largest newspaper, a couple of years ago. A major portion of the edition was devoted to Bose, including a article discussing his association with Hitler's Germany and Hirohito's Japan, why this wasn't really such a bad thing after all and why it shouldn't be an impediment to naming him India's greatest national hero of the 20th century. There was even an article submitted by prime minister Vijaypur, which I find really interesting considering that a member of his party assasinated the Mahatma 55 years ago.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Now that is some serious information Doc that I've never heard of before. Thanks for the history lesson.
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Colon, if China becomes freer (and, let us assume, thus economically stronger), it will try to gain control all over Asia. Taiwan and North Korea will be annexed, all the rest of Asia vassalized. How does that sound? EU-esque?
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Didn't the government of China recently announce that it was going to experiment with local free elections in some province?
Perhaps this was to take place in the region to be inudated by the Three Gorges Dam.
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wouldn't surprise me. although even if china did have some 'free' local elections, do you honestly think anyone hostile to the communist authorities would get in..."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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Lame troll.Originally posted by Ecthelion
Colon, if China becomes freer (and, let us assume, thus economically stronger), it will try to gain control all over Asia. Taiwan and North Korea will be annexed, all the rest of Asia vassalized. How does that sound? EU-esque?
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it's only a semi-troll. if you think India has the advantage of a freer system, why shouldn't China benefit from a freer system herself?Comment
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The reason China is ahead of India is actually down to the advances made in China before 1980 in education and healthcare. Despite the twin disasters of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution , the communists actually made large strides in improving education and life expectancy, which gave China a firm base on which to build a dynamic free-market economy. India, on the other hand, was and is behind China in both literacy and healthcare. India may churn out more students than anybody else, but female literacy is still just 37.7%, compared to China's 72.2%.
On the other hand, India has not had any large scale famines since independence, whilst China has had a gigantic man-made one, which is at least one thing India can hold it's head high about.Comment
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More like a Greater East Asia Co prosperity sphere.Originally posted by Ecthelion
Colon, if China becomes freer (and, let us assume, thus economically stronger), it will try to gain control all over Asia. Taiwan and North Korea will be annexed, all the rest of Asia vassalized. How does that sound? EU-esque?
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Indian workers are the best deal you can have. They work hard, they're well educated and they don't complain. If that country wouldn't have such a godawful infrastructure and administration it would be roaring to the #1 spot.
I don't doubt this. And the infrastructure and administration are improving, albeit slowly.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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