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Originally posted by C0ckney
indeed. likewise you seem unable to gauge the suffering of people in china because of their government.
indeed. likewise you seem unable to gauge the suffering of people in china because of their government.
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No I don't. I compare the two sufferings together. Are people unhappy about their govt, yes. Are the ones who don't live in poverty glad, yes immeasurably more than they are angry about their govt.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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yes i'm sure you can be a few pennies better off in china than india, if you aren't unthinking enough to want to have more than 1 child, aren't silly enough to publically disagree with the government, aren't selfish enough to want to look at information the government considers 'unsuitable' and don't have the audacity to belong to an unfavoured minority group..."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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Kid, why not call it a mess that thinks it's a democracy. As said above, the right to vote doesn't make for one.Comment
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If you read the article I think you will find that the standard of living in China is increasing much faster than the standard of living in India. That's the whole point of the article.Originally posted by C0ckney
yes i'm sure you can be a few pennies better off in china than india, if you aren't unthinking enough to want to have more than 1 child, aren't silly enough to publically disagree with the government, aren't selfish enough to want to look at information the government considers 'unsuitable' and don't have the audacity to belong to an unfavoured minority group...I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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If you ask me democracy is a mess everywhere. I'm not saying that it's not better that dictatorship in some places. I'm just wondering if it isn't the best thing for India.Originally posted by Ecthelion
Kid, why not call it a mess that thinks it's a democracy. As said above, the right to vote doesn't make for one.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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i did read the article, which also states that china cooks its books as a matter of course...
like i said you might be a few pennies better off in china but the price you pay is terms of freedom and basic human rights is far higher."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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They do cook the books, but the article also says that it's obvious that China is doing much better economically than India.Originally posted by C0ckney
i did read the article, which also states that china cooks its books as a matter of course...
like i said you might be a few pennies better off in china but the price you pay is terms of freedom and basic human rights is far higher.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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India's caste system is probably far more oppressive on the individuals than the Chinese government.Comment
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I don't know about freedom and human rights for the members of the lower castes in India...Comment
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India's problem isn't democracy, as such. Rather, it's the policies that the democracy has brought about. Democracies carry out the will of the people, more or less.
The will of the Indian people has for decades been for a statist and planned economy. Just look at their tarrifs for evidence. But this is changing slowly. It won't be a one-way street to open markets and there will be setbacks. They are planning on privatizing several industries in the next couple of years, so there's hope.
Where India overcomes these obstacles, and has a clear competitive advantage�as in software and other information-technology services�it can be a huge success.
This is the important thing to keep in mind. If India can overcome these obstacles, remove these obstacles, and cease to put up more obstacles to itself, it should be quite successful.
I'm very sanguine, if India can keep its eye on the ball. They put out some very sharp people--light years ahead of China (and often ahead of the people the US puts out). The US poaches a small portion of these every year, but it doesn't seem like there's a shortage afterward.Last edited by DanS; June 21, 2003, 14:59.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I think you also have to take into consideration that China has more resources than India. While both lack oil China has greater reserves of coal, iron and alloy minerals. Also important is the geographic position. China has naturally easier access to Japan, whose industries use her cheap labor and to the US, the most importing country in the world. India is farily distant from Japan and the US. India's closer to Europe, but evidently doesn't derive much benefit from this."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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I don't believe so. The impetus to reform would only come from popular pressure instead of international ambition. A democratic China would be a stabilising factor in the region IMO.Originally posted by Ecthelion
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A moot point but I think it had more to do with the convictions of the Congress Party than with the will of the people. (Nehru was a Fabian socialist for instance) The people basically desire peace and prosperity, the means are secundary.Originally posted by DanS
The will of the Indian people has for decades been for a statist and planned economy. Just look at their tarrifs for evidence. But this is changing slowly. It won't be a one-way street to open markets and there will be setbacks. They are planning on privatizing several industries in the next couple of years, so there's hope.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Most people desire peace and prosperity. That's the easy part. But the politicians make up platforms that voters either choose among, or, in a one-party situation, choose to accept or reject.
The upshot is that the people of India chose a restrictive form of socialism. They chose poorly. Democracy doesn't guarantee that people make the right decisions. Rather, it ensures, by and large, that the people's wishes are carried out.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I think the Congress Party's platform was and is Gandhi.
(the dynasty found by Nehru, not the original one)
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