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  • Originally posted by Frankychan
    It's called using the system against itself to change, baby.
    The left is rather short of resources. We have manpower, sort of, but little else. Last year I came to the rationalization I could better serve the movement by becoming an "angel," [i]i.e.,[i] a wealthy doner. 'Till I reach that point, I'll still be a rabbel-rouser and an organizaer and propagandist, but at some point I'd like to retire and raise kids.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • Originally posted by Q Cubed
      the imf isn't run by people who like the chicago school of economics--rather, they're run by people who detest it.

      after the asian financial crisis of 97, most of the nations involved were forced to take imf rules in exchange for their bailouts. of those nations, only one has really improved, economically: south korea.

      it did so only after chucking those imf rules--by getting rid of stupid things like austerity measures, they managed to develop a growing internal economy.
      Those policies at the end are "Chicago School" policies. The IMF promotes the policies of old Milt.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • I knew Fez was going to use Chili as an example. I think the burden of proof lies in Fez' camp. Basically, the periods of economic booms in Chili are accompanied by slightly larger busts. During 1973-1989 the Chilean economy has shrunk.
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        • Maniac, again you have misstated my intentions. There was a debt crisis in Chile during 1982, similar to the one in Argentina. But since 1985 Chile has made a marked success with pro-capitalist reforms...



          Yes, 500,000 jobs to bring economic recovery, and Pinochet also nationalised more banks that Allende did.
          That's no kind of neo-liberalism that I know of. It's just a big lie that you read in propaganda pieces. Reagan used it to promote his policies. It only worked because Americans don't know whatthe**** goes on outside of their own country.
          No that is bull****. All of that is just crap. So no. 500,000 private sector jobs were probably created in the latter years of the Pinochet era.

          Don't get me wrong, I think it was right that the Chilean Copper Company remained in state hands because that was important in financing the country out of its 1983 debt Crisis.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • In 1989, Chile was in very bad shape economically, AFAIK.

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            • Originally posted by Fez
              No that is bull****. All of that is just crap. So no. 500,000 private sector jobs were probably created in the latter years off the Pinochet era.
              Well, you go ahead and keep spouting of nonsense then.
              Last edited by Kidlicious; June 17, 2003, 20:52.
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              • Originally posted by El Awrence
                In 1989, Chile was in very bad shape economically, AFAIK.
                Actually no it wasn´t.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • Weren't you going away and never returning?

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                  • Weren't you going away and never returning?

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                    • Weren't you going away and never returning?

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                      • There was a debt crisis in Chile during 1982, similar to the one in Argentina. But since 1985 Chile has made a marked success with pro-capitalist reforms...
                        As the article I linked to says, much of that growth after 1985 is simply making up for the losses during the crisis around. Also that article says that after 1982 Chili actually became less neo-liberal in its policies. Is that article wrong then?
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                        • So chile is now representative of the debate between communism and capitalism?
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                          • For me at least not. I consider it an example that the neoliberal policies Fez advocates aren't so great as he thinks.
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                            • I'm just bumping this for me, but we studied the Alfonsin and Menem administrations this week in uni and I was going to refute Fez's perception on the entire Menem administration. Just bumping it up so that I don't lose it elsewhere.

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                              • You could write down the thread id somewhere.

                                *bump*
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