Israelis should seriously consider abandoning Israel

[muxec]

To MichaelTheGreat: why said something antiarabic on apolyton is antisemitism, but antijewic threads are normal and dont get closed. I ask for serious ban for Dissident!!!

[Whaleboy]

Its a nice idea, and would solve many many problems, but in reality, would create many of its own. If I was back in 1948, I'd be one of the miniscule number of Jews who opposed the creation of the state of Israel for precisely the same reasons we're talking about it now, but today, 55 years later, we cant simply erase a bad mistake.

[Berzerker]

muxec, try quoting this "anti-jew" stuff you've seen. Otherwise, grow up and stop whining.

[Whaleboy]

antijewic threads are norma;l

Some people should really learn to type an entire word without dying of RSI! jk

Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.

[muxec]

If i ask for destroying Gaza it's not antiarabism. It's zionizm. And what some people here do is Ziononism.

[Whaleboy]

I maintain that the solution to such terrorism is not the destruction of an entire culture, city, people, land etc, from which only a tiny minority are terrorists, but there is popular support for them. If you have to destroy an entire society or people in order to stop terrorism, then something is wrong. And that something is whatever is causing them to hate you so much.

Revenge and punitive measures on behalf of the victims will not achieve anything, surely we have seen that. What the victims suffer is terrible, but I am prepared to piss them off by not brutalising those they now hate, because that means peace, and no more victims, on either side. Surely that is what we all want, no more deaths on either side.

[Berzerker]

Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.

And asking a simple question relevant for any person to answer - why live in a land with millions out to kill you - isn't anti-zionism just because Israelis are actually confronted with the question.

[Whaleboy]

If i ask for destroying Gaza it's not antiarabism. It's zionizm. And what some people here do is Ziononism

The difference is that the Arabs have other places, so why pick on one place? Also they are the minority in Israel, so attacking the place where they are the majority could be construed as anti-arab.

Killing the Jews, or attacking the Jews in Israel, or nuking Tel Aviv etc would possibly be anti-semitism, but removing the state of Israel is merely attacking, refuting and denying the flawed basis on which it was formed. Nonetheless, while I would be for such a dissolution in principle, in practise, it would never work, see above posts.

[Whaleboy]

isn't anti-zionism just because Israelis are actually confronted with the question

A good way of looking at it. People will tend to cling to their "comfort blankets", be it patriotism, religion, a fanatical devotion to the founding philosophies of their state (Zionism here), when faced with reality, and something that wuold threaten their comfort blanket, they cannot view the situation objectively. Trouble is that Palestinian children will continue to die because of it

[muxec]

I will tell you real story of occupation. It Happend in early 1946 in western Berlin occupied by US army. Some US soldiers lived in simle house with local citizen. And one day accident happened. Locals killed USA soldier. After this americans killed the whole street, where soldier was killed. And no more accidents happened in western Berlin.
Some people cant understand nothjing but fear. So should they.

[muxec]

I'm sorry for missunderstanding. All population of Gaza must be warned to leave Gaza within 24 hours before bombing.

[muxec]

If you have to destroy an entire society or people in order to stop terrorism, then something is wrong. And that something is whatever is causing them to hate you so much.

You are speaking on Islam, Yep?

[Whaleboy]

After this americans killed the whole street, where soldier was killed. And no more accidents happened in western Berlin

Thats unbelieveable, thats a crime against humanity, I hope the Americans were brought to book over that. The ends in that case do NOT justify the means.

You are speaking on Islam, Yep?

No, I mean Palestinian communities, villiages, towns, cities. I dont think that Israelis or the Americans would attempt to modify the culture of Islam.

[Insigna]

So the Jews run away and you reward terrorism?
Which encoroges more terrorism. Soon all the jews are dead. Rewarding terrorism is innane.

[Whaleboy]

Hardly

Reward terrorism? Not bombing people is rewarding terrorism? Rewarding terrorism would be complying with their wishes, not taking the actions necessary to stopping them (diplomatic and economic of course). Terrorists simply wont respond favourably to the military stick, people should get over their pathetic instincts for revenge and thing with their heads, not with their hearts and other parts of their anatomies.