US Becoming Weirder and Very Anachronistic

[Whaleboy]

You don't think that the gap between voluntary submission and forced submission to perceived necessities is a huge difference?

From my perspective as a libertarian, yes there is, but in this context, the result is the same ...submission to an idea.

Nonetheless, I believe that when people choose to take this action, rather than being "forced" to, its wholly more disturbing, because in the former case, we could blame those who are instigating this obligation, but in the latter, it is far more widespread, and something that should be tackled on the grassroots level, as it is down to that individual and the choice of that individual.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The poll was asking whether the male should be on control on the basis of being male, not whether the person who brings the most money home should be in control on the basis of being that person.

And what if the participants didn't understand that?

Just because one provides and is the primary wage earner, does that necessarily mean that one buys a position of authority?

In short, I believe so. They are providing for the family. It is their money that is being used to pay for everything. So of course their opinion should count a little bit more when making the big, tough decisions on how the money should be spent.

Often now it is the women who are working as the primary earner AND looking after the kids

Then the woman should call the shots in those homes. Not hard.

[Whaleboy]

So of course their opinion should count a little bit more when making the big, tough decisions on how the money should be spent

For the money, perhaps, but say, for the children, I would say it is the woman who should get the most power in the traditional family model.

Nonetheless, a family must survive on more than money, and I dont believe that simply because someone performs one role, that this person should get more power than someone performing an equally important, maybe more so, role.

[Imran Siddiqui]

For the money, perhaps, but say, for the children, I would say it is the woman who should get the most power in the traditional family model.

And they usually do .

Most men when asked about who is the 'master of the house' will think money, I bet you. And I bet most of the men who answered thought master refered to money issues.

[The diplomat]

I happen to believe that BOTH the man and wife should co-rule the home.

But don't people have the right to believe whatever they want? So what if 42% of Americans asked in the poll think that men should rule the home?

[MRT144]

men are pretty lame brained individuals then

[Whaleboy]

But don't people have the right to believe whatever they want?

Yes but people have the right to critique each other, question and critisise them. Their right to run their home the way they wish is not in dispute, what is in dispute is whether that is good or bad, such a debate is inherently subjective, but of course, it has no objective outcomes, thus is completely harmless.

[DAVOUT]

I really dont see this matter as a money issue. If I buy a house, I want my wife to absolutely agree with the house I intend to buy because we will live in it together. And it is the same for all important issues such as schooling the children, choosing a doctor, etc.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Most men when asked about who is the 'master of the house' will think money, I bet you. And I bet most of the men who answered thought master refered to money issues.

How does it explain the gap between Canada and the USA ? Are Candian and yank men that different that they don't think first about the biggest moneybringer of the house ?

I really think most people were thinking about the gender by itself, not about the consequences of the gender. I really think a huge majority of the 'male-power' people are backwards for real and do believe in the male having a 'more equal' position than his wife.

[Whaleboy]

One finds that a lot, a group that has been dominent resents the upward equality of the formerly suppressed group, and creates a backlash. We see that with neo-racists like the BNP, those who resent the acceptability of homosexuality, and of course here, the male supremacists, aided in America by a very male-centric culture.

[Dis]

equal households are a bunch of bull****

women still fall for men to "protect" them. women still fall for men to "lead" them.

Often I see personals for women who want "alpha" males. They don't want men to be pussies. They want me to be strong leaders.

Men should be in charge of the household if he is capable.

And I do believe that the high divorce rate is in part due to the lack of respect women have for men who are weak. They often leave their husbands for someone more masculine.

[Dis]

all you guys are *****-whipped

[Spiffor]

I have no problem with the man being the master of the house if the woman wants it. By the same token, I have no problem with the woman being the master of the house if the man wants it.

I have a problem with thinking all families should follow the same modell, where the man is the boss

[Ned]

Dissident, I was wondering when someone was going to point out the obvious that most women like strong, capable man. They like man who is taller than they are, smarter than they are and who earns more money than they do. Likewise, most men like women who submit to their authority in the so-called "big" matters. Women can succeed in business and other careers and still have happy marriages, so long as they do not become more successful than their husbands.

There are exceptions to this rule, of course. These men and women are typically driven by ideology and are constantly finding their own instincts. Very few these have happy relationships or happy marriages if in fact the woman is more capable, more intelligent or taller than her husband.

Further, in the real world of business, politics and life, no one respects a man who is not the true leader of his family. And despite all the talk about women's equality, women are not respected by other women or even by men when they are successful in business. Other women tend to believe that a successful woman "slept" her way to the top. Men believe that successful woman are "b*tches."

None of this, of course, has anything to do with religion. It has everything to do with human nature.

[Spiffor]

Ned :

There is no need to be driven by ideology to have a familial power structure a tad more elaborated than what you are saying. The man and the woman can both be leaders in their fields of expertise. And the decisions can be taken at the unanimity of bith, rather than having someone deciding for the other.

As for the "man must be smarter than his wife in order to have a happy family", do you sincerely believe that crap ?