I'm Going Conservative

[Q Classic]

When America throws someone in a concentration camp, let me know.

while nowhere near as harsh as the nazi concentration camp, america did throw the japanese into the internment camps during ww2.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by cinch

8) I believe in the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug because, since it's illegal, you have to go buy it from a drug dealer, who will lead you to worse things. If you bought it at the corner store, then it might not be such a problem.

And what we are proposing to do in Canada will only make that worse. It will not be illegal to possess it, but it will be illegal to sell it. That means there could very well be growth in the number of people who want to use it, but they will all be driven to criminals who may well introduce them to 'better' stuff.

Liberalism. Gotta love it.

[Q Classic]

Not at all. O'Reilly and Limbaugh are gasbags, and both on the way out, IMO. Their time has past. Franken is an elitist out of touch with the simple folk.

what makes you think franken is not on his way out as well?

True, but during our finest years, the simple fact is we knew to keep the riff-raff out. I say turn them back at the gates. We seem to have forgotten this. And I don't mean those with darker skin than mine. I mean those who leech off our fine system and then stab us in the back with their words and actions. If you don't want to be part of us, then don't come here.

some who come and complain do so because they wish to change this place for the better. is that such a crime?
and this riff-raff bit... i wasn't around for it, but knowing a small bit of history leads me to the conclusion that at several points during our history, we labelled different groups as riff-raff and sought to prohibit their entry into the us. the irish come to mind; the italians, the southern europeans; then an outright prohibition for the east asians during a large part of the first half of this century...

The Democratic party has been taken over by people who no longer act in the interest of their constituency. They talk, talk, talk, all the while selling them down the river.

how is the republican party acting in my mother's interest (she is a republican)? it has systematically hindered her ability to teach as a teacher by cutting funding; it has cut taxes for everyone, including her, but she has not see a dime of this money returned to her; the recent restrictions on rights for target minorities, which she is not a member of--not yet, anyway...?

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
A lot of people percieve me as ULTRA ULTRA left

You are ULTRA ULTRA left.

Originally posted by notyoueither

Liberalism. Gotta love it.

I don't even get worked up any more because I know they're wrong.

[monolith94]

REEFER MADNESS!!! My friends, when attempting to get the manja, have never, ever gone to or even had the opportunity to get weed from some big bad wolfesque drug dealing figure - it gets circulated around the community, and you call up your friends or what have you...

Anyone up for some liquid hot ice?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by notyoueither


And what we are proposing to do in Canada will only make that worse. It will not be illegal to possess it, but it will be illegal to sell it. That means there could very well be growth in the number of people who want to use it, but they will all be driven to criminals who may well introduce them to 'better' stuff.

Liberalism. Gotta love it.

Yep, thats a problem on any extreme. Some diehard republicans say we shouldn't give it to anyone who could benefit from it medically speaking.

Conservatism. Gotta love it.

Not at all. O'Reilly and Limbaugh are gasbags, and both on the way out, IMO. Their time has past. Franken is an elitist out of touch with the simple folk.

At least you acknowledge that

The educational system is wasting most of the money now.

Most of the computers in my sons school are text based, and the "newer" ones are those Apples with the first GUI. The school doesn't have enough money to upgrade to even 8 MB MS-DOS computers, much less computers that these very students will have to work with once they get out of the educational system. The textbooks are 20 years old (including the history books. Meaning theyre currently being taught that the Soviet Union still exists, and that theres a cold war going on). Currently there is an averege of about 40 students per classroom, and there have been 4 instances of knives being drawn at the school. One teacher quit because of it all.

Taking away money isn't quite the answer either

I support medicinal use and mild decriminalization, but not the complete lifting of the prohibition some are trying to foist on us. It will only lead to more problems. Crime. Addiction. More breakdown of the family.

Ok, yeah, I agree with you there. I mean, on the flipside, LSD also has a few medical uses......But......

We seem to have forgotten this. And I don't mean those with darker skin than mine. I mean those who leech off our fine system and then stab us in the back with their words and actions. If you don't want to be part of us, then don't come here.

But then the American image of "land of the free, home of the brave" will be lost, and resentment will increase. Words are just that, words and if turn people away because of that...... I say let everyone in unless we can prove WITHOUT A DOUBT that they have malicious intentions.....

When America throws someone in a concentration camp, let me know.

They've thrown thousands into jailcells after Sep11. Does that count? They are CONCENTRATING them....

The Democratic party has been taken over by people who no longer act in the interest of their constituency. They talk, talk, talk, all the while selling them down the river.

Yep. I completly agree. The democratic party has been completly and totally reduced to rubble.

Who is to say this isn't true.

Ignoring you putting words in my mouth....To say that the ENTIRE stockpile was simply shipped away and that we need to invade THEM now is QUITE silly, and I'm surprised that anyone believes it.

It's like me invading YOUR HOUSE looking for drugs, and saying you shipped them off to your neighbors (which is why I couldn't find them) and me going into their houses as well. American intelligence has been proven wrong time and time again including on the WoMD issue (If the US knows, then they would tell the world. Their excuse to the UN (on why they can't disclose the WoMD in IRAQI locations) is that it will endanger intelligence operatives lives. But for some reason, we didn't know they were moved until NOW. If there were really moles in the Iraqi government, we would know that they were moved and we would've invaded. Also ignoring the fact that Bush said Iraq could kill the world x times over with these.....Which would endanger many more lives than the operatives.

To sum it up:

-If we had moles in Iraq, we would've known the weapons were being moved and would've attacked right then.
-The excuse given to the UN for not giving out the information is that it would endanger the lives of our operatives. However the counter to this point it.....Bush himself said Saddam could kill the world x times over. 6 Billion consitues a greater loss of life than a few hundred operatives in iraq.
-Over 3000 Iraqi civilans have died. No evidence of the development, harbouring, or intention to move the WoMD have been found at all.

With all this, it's very difficult to believe a group of diehard republicans.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

When America throws someone in a concentration camp, let me know.

while nowhere near as harsh as the nazi concentration camp, america did throw the japanese into the internment camps during ww2.

As did the British to Germans in Britain, Canada to Japanese, and many other nations in various circumstances. It was something that most everyone thought was a good idea at the time. Fifth columns and what-not.

Let's not speak of what the Japanese did to nationals of enemy combatant nations.

[monolith94]

Were Native Americans fifth columners as well?

[Q Classic]

As did the British to Germans in Britain, Canada to Japanese, and many other nations in various circumstances. It was something that most everyone thought was a good idea at the time. Fifth columns and what-not.

of course. but i was letting su know that the us has this in his past--he was asking, after all.
it does appear, as well, that the nazis believed that they were the ones victimized by die juden, as well, nee?

Let's not speak of what the Japanese did to nationals of enemy combatant nations.

remember who you're talking to~ technically, although korea wasn't a combatant...

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by cinch
Wow, it's like an impromptu questionnaire!

1) Yes, how dare he attempt to find all-natural alternate fuels! He should learn to use good, honest, old-fashioned fossil fuels like them decent folk out in the country, who do their jobs with smiles on their faces.

It's like the difference between saying how great the future will be or showing up to work in a Star Trek uniform. One is acceptable to the mainstream. One isn't.

2) Franken be funny.

Did you see the Stuart Smalley movie?

3) Clinton was a flawed but still very good President. I don't see why everyone hates Hillary so much. If she wants to stay with him, that's fine with me. She seems like a good enough person, regardless.

BJs in the Oval Office is a little more than a flaw. Hillary is a power-hungry monster. She just stays with him because it looks better on her resume. They don't even live together anymore. She's a bad example to women everywhere.

4) I like Gore. He's smart and calm. Why does the President have to be showy?

Gore is a robot who will say anything to get elected. I remember watching him during the primaries and thinking to myself "Is their anybody whose friend he isn't?"

7) What is the dominant ideology you speak of?

IIRC, they don't go into detail, but are against "dominant" ideologies in general, which they view as diversity training. There's no marketplace for ideas, just ideas. Great philosophy, lets all be diverse by accepting every idea as valid, ie by being coerced to think alike.

8) I believe in the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug because, since it's illegal, you have to go buy it from a drug dealer, who will lead you to worse things. If you bought it at the corner store, then it might not be such a problem.

My logic is that the thrill eventually wears off and you have to go on to "bigger and better" things to recapture the feeling. I've seen it a many, many times. Alcohol is the same way, but leads mostly to more alcohol use. But alcohol vs. drugs is a whole different argument I don't want to get into.

10) I would actually have to agree with Tass on this one. To say that no one is being persecuted is a little over the top, even for a conservative standpoint.

For speech to have meaning, some must be persecuted for it. There isn't a government in history that hasn't gagged someone. It's a harsh reality, but the system must go on.

[Nubclear]

Let's not speak of what the Japanese did to nationals of enemy combatant nations.

Nobodys denying it, though

Originally posted by Mr. President


You are ULTRA ULTRA left.

Is it because I'm not a republican?

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by monolith94
"Franken is an elitist out of touch with the simple folk."

Says the person who supports silver-spooned Bush...

Bush is more in tune with his people than any leader n history. He makes America resonate.

"When America throws someone in a concentration camp, let me know."
Ever heard of 'reservations'?

Last I heard those people could leave whenever they wanted.

"True, but during our finest years, the simple fact is we knew to keep the riff-raff out."
Excuse me? Riff-raff like my great gran parents? Yeah - you've got a real great attitude. And when where these supposed finest years???

Exactly, people like my great-grandparents, who came here from Italy and Ireland, the poorest of the poor, and worked hard, and became part of this system. They added the good they brought with them. They weren't down at City Hall pitching fits because they had mildly conform to our ways.

"The system should be returned to the state and community level."
Oh, how I love this argument.. Isn't this the one where the rich people live together and have beautiful, well funded public schools which are renowned for their academic excellence, whereas other, less prosperous areas are left to languish? Oh, please, tell me more of this delightful scenario...

Federal funding and control of schools has broken up communities. No one has any pride in their schools anymore because they are completely removed from the process, and no one wants to hear them.

[Q Classic]

Bush is more in tune with his people than any leader n history. He makes America resonate.

well, if by resonate you mean sharply divide...

Last I heard those people could leave whenever they wanted.

not those in the internment camps.

Exactly, people like my great-grandparents, who came here from Italy and Ireland, the poorest of the poor, and worked hard, and became part of this system. They added the good they brought with them. They weren't down at City Hall pitching fits because they had mildly conform to our ways.

they were, however, considered "riff-raff", and a sizeable portion of the populace did want to keep them out... they were, after all, thought of as "drunks", "crooks", and worst of all (at least in some circles) "papists".

Federal funding and control of schools has broken up communities. No one has any pride in their schools anymore because they are completely removed from the process, and no one wants to hear them.

federal funding and control of schools has to be properly done. in many regions, where there are special programs, such as the magnet program, you end up with schools that are much stronger academically as well as helpful in establishing a sense of community. granted, such programs can't be done everywhere, and it's probably more an exception rather than a rule, but it is possible.

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
what makes you think franken is not on his way out as well?

Experience. He's been around for 25 years and is still kicking.

some who come and complain do so because they wish to change this place for the better. is that such a crime?
and this riff-raff bit... i wasn't around for it, but knowing a small bit of history leads me to the conclusion that at several points during our history, we labelled different groups as riff-raff and sought to prohibit their entry into the us. the irish come to mind; the italians, the southern europeans; then an outright prohibition for the east asians during a large part of the first half of this century...

As a fourth generation American of Irish-Italian extraction, I can say that nobody gave them any handouts. They came here, worked hard, learned the system, and a generations later are solid integrated into the American way of life. They paid their dues.

The riff-raff I speak of anarchists and evil-doers who come to bite the hand of freedom.

how is the republican party acting in my mother's interest (she is a republican)? it has systematically hindered her ability to teach as a teacher by cutting funding; it has cut taxes for everyone, including her, but she has not see a dime of this money returned to her; the recent restrictions on rights for target minorities, which she is not a member of--not yet, anyway...?

I can't speak for your mother. She must have some reason. Ask her and I'm sure she'll tell you.

[techumseh]

This can hardly be a surprise, at least to you. Your nick gives you away!