I'm Going Conservative

[GePap]

Yeah, you were never a liberal. Doesn;t seem that much of a conversion really.

I had a friend who was always trully conservative (we had big debates in 2000), but then, came 9/11 and he converted (as converst always are, they become radical) so that he is now further left than I. That is a true conversiob.

DD: you aren't that much of a conservative here.

[Japher]

Static: Thanks for choosing the red pill

[Dinner]

I'm kind of dead in the middle.

- I am against Bush's desasterous tax policies, I voted for Al Gore, but I was for both Afghanistan and Gulf War 2.

-I'm pro-choice but feel there should be restrictions after the end of the 2nd trimester I also think government money for abortions should only be given if the mother's life is in danger (other wise she foots the bill herself) but we most certainly need to spend more money on contraceptives and sex education.

- Our immigration policy should be changed to be more like Canada's where we cherry pick the best based upon education, wealth, and historical association and not just the everyone & his grandmother policy we have now. Fewer immigraints but higher quality immigraints.

- Free trade is the way to greater wealth and economic growth. In his quest to get reelected Bush has lead us into accepting EU style agricultural subsidies which are a desaster for the 3rd world. Both the EU and US need to negotiate an end to ag subsidies and an opening of their markets to 3rd world agricultural goods as long as those goods are proven to be safe and pest free. Lastly, France's push for antiBioengineered crop policies is just plain old fashioned protectionist deguised as "public health". It's a lie which the EU needs to stop saying.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Static: Thanks for choosing the red pill

But the red pill is just a trick by the masters to make you think you have a choice in the slave world they created. HAH!

[MRT144]

this is why we like you oerdin!

[Agathon]

Re: I'm Going Conservative

Originally posted by Static Universe

The ball started rolling much faster several weeks ago, when we all went to see a documentary on Noam Chomsky and 9-11. They loved it. I hated it. They couldn't understand why I did not like Chomsky, and I wondered if they were watching the screen as me. What's to like?, I thought.

Well, I agree that it's silly to slavishly follow Chomsky, the fact that you don't like him is neither here nor there. Most of what he says isn't that controversial anyway (re: the US in central America) but it just doesn't get as wide a hearing when he says it.

They were very upset when I said I thought America had done a pretty good job helping people all over the world. I freely admit there have been problems, most of which I blame on Henry Kissinger.

America has certainly helped a great deal of people. Unfortunately, they've probably harmed a lot more.

1) Dennis J. Kucinich, their favorite son, was a doofus and completely out of touch with both America and reality. A recycled vegetable oil powered bus? WTF?

I don't think much of him either. So what?

2) Al Franken is a woodchuck and his evidence and argument against Bill O'Reilly was a about as devoid of logic and wit as possible. I'm no O'Reilly fan, but for Franken to claim he's any closer to objectivity is a joke. He was mildly amusing in the 70s-80s when I was a kid, with his "Al Franken Decade" bit, but I'm grown up now. I accept that he was never funny.

Both of these guys are media whores and comedians rather than serious journos.

3) Bill Clinton was a sexually-harrassing scumbag and Hillary is an evil carpetbagger.

Of course it's so evil that Clinton lied about a blow job compared to GWB lying about WMDs.

4) Even if the 2000 election was stolen, which I still believe it was, I was happy Al Gore wasn't in the White House.

Translation: "I do not believe in democracy."

5) Michael Moore was a manipulative a-hole.

The guy is a political comedian, not a serious critic.

6) I've always liked Richard Nixon (This hurt them the most, I think). I've even read several of Nixon's books and thought they were quite good.

Ralph Nader remarked that compared to the current Democrats, Nixon looks like a communist.

7) Liberals have ruined education, not conservative.

Liberal welfare state policies are responsible for much greater access to quality education for everybody and vastly increased tertiary access for most people. What's not to like?

8) Marijuanna is a gateway drug and shouldn't be legalized.

Bull. It's bad for some people, not for others. In any case it is still far less harnful than alcohol.

9) The borders should be restricted.

Who doesn't believe that?

10) No one in America is being persecuted.

Ask a black person or an American Indian for a second opinion.

11) No, the government cannot help you solve your personal problems. When it tries they just get worse.

It depends what problems they are. If it's providing better employment conditions it can do wonders.

The job I've had the last six months takes me out of the big city**** several times a week, and I travel all around small towns in Missouri and Illinois, where I've been meeting a lot of interesting people. It's refreshing to be surrounded by people who do their jobs, live their lives, and seem to be pretty happy about it. They don't constantly harp on anti-government rhetoric, or worse, Illuminati theories.

Of course, they live in a wealthy country that rides on the back of third world poverty. What's not to like?

I still have some problems with the corruption level in the Bush administration and America's corporate sector, which I feel is a way too high, but I do feel genuine reform is coming.

Not from the Republicans it isn't.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
DD: you aren't that much of a conservative here.

What sort of a measuring stick are we using here? You're probably right anyway. I just felt like being contrary wrt the dark side comment.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Who doesn't believe that?

I don't... open the borders up!

[Ecthy]

I used to wonder what reason there can be not to be a lefty.

Then the lefties started to ruin this country.

And I became more egoist.

2 reasons to turn into a conservative

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Who doesn't believe that?

I don't... open the borders up!

Damn anarchist!

[Myrddin]

What's wrong with running a bus on vegetable oil?

And if you don't believe it, run a Google search on 'Llanelli' and 'diesel' - for a lesson in practical green economics

[SlowwHand]

Congrats, Static Universe.

Here, for you.

[Japher]

I like be conservative... Stupid girls think I save trees

[Imran Siddiqui]

Damn anarchist!

[Ecthy]

Imran, at what age did you find out you're a conservative?

What were your feelings?

How did you deal with your emotions?