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  • PBS lies in an attempt to prove that race does not exist

    In April of this year, PBS screened a show titled Race: The Power of an Illusion

    In order to "prove" that race is merely a figment of our imagination, the argument is made that there is no single gene or small set of genes that are unique to any racial group. It is also stated that two members of the same race may differ from each other more at a specific gene locus than they do from someone of a different race. This is true, but it's also meaningless. It's like saying that your brother is not really your brother because his eyes are not the same color as yours. You might as well argue that family is an illusion. Of course, the program fails to mention that when enough genes are considered, race becomes undeniably real. The idea that a race must be characterized by specific genes that are found only in that race and in no other is a straw man put up by those who wish to knock it down for political reasons.


    The main event on the program is a misrepresented DNA test. A group of students of different races are tested for similarities between their mitochondrial DNA, and it is found that there are more similarities between the mitochondrial DNA of students of different races than those of the same. What the program fails to mention, however, is that mitochondrial DNA is completely useless in determining race at the individual level, or for comparing the racial ancestry of one individual to another. This type of DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, so if you are black, and there was someone white on your mother's side of the family tree at some point, your mitchondrial DNA will be 'white'. To tout this kind of DNA test as some kind of proof of the non-existence of race is outright deception.
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    I've been to a race in person, so I know for certain that they exist.
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    • #3
      Yeah, what are all those Olympic medals for!
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      • #4
        at caligastia.

        Man, give this little pet peeve of your up. For some reason, you deeply care to continue to believe in the notion of race. Well, many people find it either a myth or irrelevant. You will convince no one, and no one will convince you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GePap
          at caligastia.

          Man, give this little pet peeve of your up. For some reason, you deeply care to continue to believe in the notion of race. Well, many people find it either a myth or irrelevant. You will convince no one, and no one will convince you.



          I show you the truth - that your side is lying, and yet you continue to believe. You should join a cult or something.
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          • #6
            It's like saying that your brother is not really your brother because his eyes are not the same color as yours.

            It is in no way like it. You have more similarities DNA-wise with your brother than you have with Jane Random Stranger.

            The argument against race is not purely genetic and the mitochondrial study isn't the only genetic one that has been done.
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            • #7
              Race is a socially constructed concept.
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              • #8


                Give it up, already. It's not just mitochondrial DNA that gives you a proble. Regular DNA doesn't show enough of a difference between "races" to justify their existence biologically.
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                • #9
                  im actually black
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by St Leo
                    It's like saying that your brother is not really your brother because his eyes are not the same color as yours.

                    It is in no way like it. You have more similarities DNA-wise with your brother than you have with Jane Random Stranger.
                    erm..that's exactly my point. You have to consider more than just a small trait of DNA.
                    The argument against race is not purely genetic and the mitochondrial study isn't the only genetic one that has been done.
                    So you admit that the producers of this show intentionally tried to decieve the audience by using the mitchondrial DNA test?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                      Give it up, already. It's not just mitochondrial DNA that gives you a proble.
                      That's my whole point. The mitochondrial 'problem' is merely a deception.

                      Regular DNA doesn't show enough of a difference between "races" to justify their existence biologically.
                      Actually it does. Autosomal nuclear DNA codes for racially relevant traits.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MRT144
                        im actually black
                        Congratulations.



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Caligastia
                          Actually it does. Autosomal nuclear DNA codes for racially relevant traits.
                          You mean like skin color, as one of those types? You mean a trait that is mainly influenced by environment?

                          If race trully existed, an isolated "white" population placed in a tropical climate should stay white. BUt hey won;t.

                          just think how a group of black people from Africa ended up being every single human population outside of Africa, in only 100,000 yeras or less.
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                          • #14
                            im coming to get you sucka
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                            • #15
                              I think you are the third one of the forum
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