PBS lies in an attempt to prove that race does not exist

[St Leo]

That's very interesting Che, but what I'd really like to focus on are the deliberate deceptions in the TV program I mentioned. Do you care to defend them?

If you get your science from TV programs, you deserve whatever you get. No matter how respectable the channel, the producer, and everything else about the program is, it still won't come anywhere close to the accuracy and precision of a good book.

[Dis]

damn liberal PBS

how can they have **** like this and still insist on affirmative action?

and if race doesn't exists why is sickle cell anemia more common in blacks?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Another Cali thread on race.
Repeat after me Cali:
Race is an artificial unscientific attempt to divide a wide and gradual spectrum of skin colours into three categories, or four, or five, or six. It serves no scientific purpose.

Yes, and thank you.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Boddington's


Might explain why a typical southerner has longer, spiked hair that is blonde-tipped (similar to gay Europeans) and northerners tend to have skin-heads.

That is probably the funniest post I've ever seen you do!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Japher




Ppl with O positive blood or so inferior. Every time I see on I feel so sorry for them. I mean, what are they good for? Blood Donors? I tell you, I don't want thier blood in me!!!

It sounds like we have a "universal reciprient" here. You'll take our O positive blood and you'll like it!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

There are tubby short east Africans who can't run for ****.

They make great "usual suspects".

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Japher

This is a fact... Ppl keep saying that there is no scientific fact basis for such assumptions. WHAT! Observation is the key to sciences. If there is a line up of three white guys and Jackie Chan you will able to note the differences, significant differences. That is science. Now, if it exists on a cellular level... I don't know? Nobody does. Obviously the difference is genetic on the surface, what is to say it doesn't go deeper. Heck, it could even be possible that people who are pale skinned are more subseptable to skin cancer not because they lack pigment, but because they have the mutant gene active when they are born!!

Observation is the first step, but the problem comes with developing a theory, testing it successfully and repeating the results. For every observation that leads to a theory that yields useful information, there is an observation that leads to a false conclusion and an enormous waste of time. I mean it looks like the stars rotate around the earth, but pursuit of that assumption isn't going to get you to the stars.

[Odin]

Race is a stupid concept because the transitions are so smooth, the same reason it is hard to determine subspecies in other organisms (for example, the Red-backed Salamander of eastern North America could have between 2 and 20 subspecies depending on how you look at it). Cental Asians and Native Americans have both Asian and European charactaristics. Some kids who are half black and half european can be as light as the Euro parent, or as dark as the african parent. I didn't know Collin Powell was black until the 2000 election, so there, Caligastia. BTW there is no CREDIBLE evidence that diffent ethinic groups vary in average intelligence, (Powell is way smarter than Bush ) so don't bring it up Cali.

[Velociryx]

Yeah but Odin, my CAT is way smarter than Bush....he's not a good yardstick for comparison....

-=Vel=-

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Dissident
damn liberal PBS

how can they have **** like this and still insist on affirmative action?

and if race doesn't exists why is sickle cell anemia more common in blacks?

Actually, it's only more common in some blacks - the original distribution of the mutated gene that causes sickle cell was from western India to the ME to the mediterranean and eastern Africa, so plenty of "non-black" populations developed the gene. Sickle-cell carriers have a historical survival advantage in areas where malaria is common and untreated, so that's why the gene established itself.

There are entire African populations who've never had it.

Since it's also a recessive gene, someone has to get both copies (one from each parent) to get the disease, so when you have cultural issues (breeding within tribes, clans, "races" or other socially recognized pools) and slavery, you end up with a situation that makes it look like a "black" disease, because that's the population group in which it most commonly appears in the US and western Europe. However, it's also a problem in places like Turkey and India, where there's no "black" population, and the gene is indigenous.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, it's only more common in some blacks - the original distribution of the mutated gene that causes sickle cell was from western India to the ME to the mediterranean and eastern Africa, so plenty of "non-black" populations developed the gene. Sickle-cell carriers have a historical survival advantage in areas where malaria is common and untreated, so that's why the gene established itself.

There are entire African populations who've never had it.

Since it's also a recessive gene, someone has to get both copies (one from each parent) to get the disease, so when you have cultural issues (breeding within tribes, clans, "races" or other socially recognized pools) and slavery, you end up with a situation that makes it look like a "black" disease, because that's the population group in which it most commonly appears in the US and western Europe. However, it's also a problem in places like Turkey and India, where there's no "black" population, and the gene is indigenous.

there ya go - theres another race - the sickle cell race - to go along with the black skinned race, the tall race, and O positive race.

or since africans having more sickle cell genes than europeans shows theyre a race, i guess we have a turkish race.

and suppose that say, nigeria and ghana have different frequencies of the gene - that would prove that nigerians and ghanaians are distinct races wouldnt it???

And that would be good, since it would help strengthen nationalism, and weaken tribalism in those countries.

Until somebody shows that the Ibo are a race, the hausa are a race, lagos cab drivers are a race, etc etc

[Ecthy]

I refuse to believe that I'm more genetically different from my neighbour than from an African

Cali is still a racist, though

And how's the cartell doing?

[TCO]

Originally posted by St Leo
It's like saying that your brother is not really your brother because his eyes are not the same color as yours.

It is in no way like it. You have more similarities DNA-wise with your brother than you have with Jane Random Stranger.

The argument against race is not purely genetic and the mitochondrial study isn't the only genetic one that has been done.

Most of the genes of ANY two humans are very similar (versus looking at a human and a random arrangement of genes). But that doesn't mean that there are no significant genetic differences among humans or among groups of humans. A very, very small percent of genes is all it takes to have very larege changes on the organism. In some cases a single gene changed may make the organism have a genetic disease for instance...

This is really basic stuff, really.

[TCO]

Originally posted by GePap


You mean like skin color, as one of those types? You mean a trait that is mainly influenced by environment?

If race trully existed, an isolated "white" population placed in a tropical climate should stay white. BUt hey won;t.

just think how a group of black people from Africa ended up being every single human population outside of Africa, in only 100,000 yeras or less.

Skin color is genetic. Yes you can tan a white man. (or even a black man to a certain extent). But inherent amount of melanin is genetic. You don't see white couples having black babies. REally basic stuff.

[TCO]

Originally posted by GePap

Hmm, i wonder how somoene can claim to be able to argue sucessfully about DNA and still miss the fact that 300 years is not a very significant span of time to bring about significant genetic variance.

You moron. You are confounding environmental effects on a population (through genetics!!!! unless you are a follower of Lysenko...you idiot) with environmental effects on an individual. If White South Africans eventually become vblack over many generatiuons, than they will be genetically different than the starting group. hence skin color is a GENETIC trait. You nitwit.