Can you live without tabbed browsing?

[SlowwHand]

I finally switched, again, to Opera 7.11.
Have to say it's nice.
Yeah, the tabs, too.

[ixnay]

re: Quicktime. Do a search in the help about it. Getting plugins to work (Quicktime, Real, etc.) can be a bit of a hassle, but it's possible to get it working.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I just DLed Opera, and it's good... but it seems to freeze up whenever I check my email (web based email). And I can't get Quicktime to integrate with it. Maybe I'll stick with IE...

Opera is OK, but you should try Mozilla or the new Mozilla Firebird.

[Victor Galis]

I hate tabs. I can't use Alt-Tab to go through them. There's nothing wrong with multiple windows. In fact that way I don't accidentally close all the windows I'm looking at when I just want to get rid of one.

[Whaleboy]

Mozilla 1.3 and 1.4!!!

Tabbed browsing is such a useful feature, and easy on memory. How long before IE incorporates it?

Forgetting FOSS vs proprietery and the OS wars, I have to say that Mozilla 1.3 and the beta for 1.4 are the most superior browser available!!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
I hate tabs. I can't use Alt-Tab to go through them. There's nothing wrong with multiple windows. In fact that way I don't accidentally close all the windows I'm looking at when I just want to get rid of one.

Um... most browsers with tabs have a key combo to switch between them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by elijah
Tabbed browsing is such a useful feature, and easy on memory. How long before IE incorporates it?

Tabbing saves 0 memory. IE already works by having one process then multiple threads, exactly like tabbing in Opera and Mozilla. The difference is Opera and Mozilla's tabs split up the browser windows to their own special tab pane, that's it.

Myself, I usually prefer all of my windows in one place. It's just easier for me. Plus the "accidentally closing them all" factor is annoying.

[Victor Galis]

Um... most browsers with tabs have a key combo to switch between them

-Yeah, but then I have to use different key combos for switching between browser windows and for switching between other things.

[Whaleboy]

To the defence of IE and MS eh Asher?

On my old machine, I find tabbing to make things run faster. Thats mozilla 1.3 compiled for windows and IE6.

Personally, its faster to switch between them, and have them clearly on screen in a more coherent interface, than different windows on the taskbar, with pop-ups that IE doesnt suppress, it all gets confusing and silly.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Victor Galis

-Yeah, but then I have to use different key combos for switching between browser windows and for switching between other things.

But you get the benefit of being able to go back and forth with tabs.

[Asher]

Originally posted by elijah
To the defence of IE and MS eh Asher?

On my old machine, I find tabbing to make things run faster. Thats mozilla 1.3 compiled for windows and IE6.

If you find Mozilla 1.3 faster than IE6, especially on an older machine, well

Even the Mozilla folks admit to Mozilla being bloaty, that's why they're canning the browser as you use it now and replacing it with Firebird or Thunderbird or whatever-the-hell stupid name they chose.

with pop-ups that IE doesnt suppress, it all gets confusing and silly.

Why would anyone use a browser to block pop-ups? Proximotron or any decent firewall will do that for you.

Found some benchmarks. It's hard to find really up to date ones, so these'll have to do until someone else finds newer ones:

http://www.tecchannel.de/internet/479/27.html

As you can see, IE6 is faster most of the time, sometimes a great deal faster than Mozilla 1.0 (for first iteration download in seconds, Mozilla: 13.36, IE6: 1.91, Opera 6: 2.50 )

[Asher]

On a side note and because I don't wanna open another thread for this:

http://www.barefeats.com/p4game.html

A Dual 1.42GHz G4 w/ Radeon 9700 versus single 3.06GHz P4 w/ Radeon 9700 in Unreal Tournament 2003 (1024x768):
Mac: 94fps
PC: 214fps



Keep in mind the Mac is considerably more expensive, too.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Agathon


But you get the benefit of being able to go back and forth with tabs.

Yeah, but I can do that without tabs, and without tabs it feels more integrated.

[Zopperoni]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
I hate tabs. I can't use Alt-Tab to go through them. There's nothing wrong with multiple windows. In fact that way I don't accidentally close all the windows I'm looking at when I just want to get rid of one.

In Opera, one uses CTRL+TAB for tab navigation.

Originally posted by Asher
Myself, I usually prefer all of my windows in one place. It's just easier for me. Plus the "accidentally closing them all" factor is annoying.

In Opera, one can restart where one (accidentally) left off.

[Whaleboy]

A Dual 1.42GHz G4 w/ Radeon 9700 versus single 3.06GHz P4 w/ Radeon 9700 in Unreal Tournament 2003 (1024x768):
Mac: 94fps
PC: 214fps

Interesting you dont mention the linux figure for that!! I have a P4 2.8Ghz, half a gig of ram with a Geforce IV MX440 128MB DDRAM (with the generic driver, not Nvidias own), slackware linux, and I just got a FPS of 289 at 1024x768 . That was 32bit though.