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  • Could Hoth's 4th panzer have accomplished its mission had it not been diverted?

    Well?
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    No chance
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    • #3
      What?
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      • #4
        Who?
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        • #5
          It's a trick question. There weren't any panzers on Hoth, just AT-ATs, AT-STs and Snowspeeders.
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          • #6
            Why?
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            • #7
              I think the Imperial weapons procurement divisions thought that walkers looked cooler, of course if they'd had panzers they wouldn't have been vulnerable to small rebel fighters.

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              Why didn't the designers ever consider small rebel fighters?
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              • #8
                I do think the rebels performance on Hoth was rubbish, they should have possessed at leat the odd weapon capable of taking out an AT-AT, they had no mobile armour and there trenches wern't big enough to stop the walkers
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                • #9
                  They never intended to fight a stand up battle, just hold them off long enough to evacuate. They managed that so it was a success.
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                  • #10
                    But they didn't really hold them, there was no point where the empires forces had to pause or regroup or even change direction. They walked through.

                    And having your primary offensive weapon(speeder) incapable of penetrating the armour of the AT-ATs is a really big mistake. Someone high up needs to be sacked.
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                    • #11
                      You seem to be confusing the rebel forces with a real army. They are a hit and run guerrilla force, they aren't supposed to be getting involved in pitched battles with heavy armour.

                      At least they had Mr Bronson as a mole on board the Imperial fleet to come out of hyperspace early and give them warning.
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                      • #12
                        What are you exactly talking about?
                        Taking Stalingrad without a fight before the russians start defending it?
                        If it's that that you mean, I don't know enough about it.
                        I just found this quote from von Kleist:
                        The 4th Panzer Army was advancing on my left. It could have taken Stalingrad without a fight, at the end of July, but was diverted to the south to help me crossing the Don. I did not needs it's aid, and merely congested the roads I was using.
                        When it turned north again, a fortnight later, the Russians had gathered just sufficient forces at Stalingrad to check it.
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                        • #13
                          You have to remember that most of the rebel forces were not only under-trained but in fact pretty cowardly. A lot of them were criminals, drug addicts, and other misfits who had fled the Empire's reach. They were clawing over each other to get out of there at the first sight of Imperial forces.
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                          • #14
                            I thought it was a proper civil war, The rebel fleet in episode 6 is pretty impressive.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MikeH
                              You seem to be confusing the rebel forces with a real army. They are a hit and run guerrilla force, they aren't supposed to be getting involved in pitched battles with heavy armour.

                              At least they had Mr Bronson as a mole on board the Imperial fleet to come out of hyperspace early and give them warning.
                              I bet it was Gripper Stebsons fault
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