You're a naughty boy Tony!

[*End Is Forever*]

Much as I dislike the pathetic political chancers that are the Liberal Democrats, that's utter bull**** Stew.

[Sava]

thanks Bods

[Solly]

Oh Sava, beware that EIF is the local Tory-no-matter-what and supports all of their policies. Probably aiming to be PM or something? (might be a bit biased)

[*End Is Forever*]

I am a member of the Conservative Party; I've never tried to hide that. It would make things much easier for me if the Liberal Democrats were all extreme-left fools, but they aren't. The nasty yellows are an extremely broad coalition of environmentalists, social democrats, traditional liberals and "wet" centre-right chancers with little or no shared principles, whose primary electoral asset appears to be either protest votes or two-facedness.

[Solly]

*gleefully looks forward to a Laz or MikeH post* :excited:

[*End Is Forever*]

It's true. Last year, the chair of the Liberal Democrats here in York was a social conservative who was comfortably as centre-right as I am (and comfortably further to the right on social and personal freedom issues). This year, their co-chairs are left-wing of the Labour Club (who consider themselves "old Labour") and their secretary is openly Marxist!

[*End Is Forever*]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
It's true. Last year, the chair of the Liberal Democrats here in York was a social conservative who was comfortably as centre-right as I am (and comfortably further to the "right" on social and personal freedom issues). This year, their co-chairs are left-wing of the Labour Club (who consider themselves "old Labour") and their secretary is openly Marxist!

[Solly]

Devil's Advocate: is there anything wrong with a political party appealing to a wide group of people?

[*End Is Forever*]

If you're appealing to 99% of those people based on false principles, then yes.

[Solly]

At least they'll never be in power..

[*End Is Forever*]

Yeah, thank god.

[Whaleboy]

Whether Blair and Bush find weapons or not (I doubt they will but thats irrelevant), what it shows is that they went to war on a speculation, which they purported to be fact. That is the real issue of deceit behind it. It would only be made slightly worse if that speculation turned out to be a barefaced lie and not a lucky guess, it is still a speculation and no way to conduct foreign policy.

[Victor Galis]

Here's another article from The Economist

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1823980

I especially liked this part:

The known record on Iraq intelligence (as presented to the public) is not reassuring. One dossier released by Mr Blair’s office, purporting to detail Iraq’s intelligence infrastructure and praised by Mr Powell at the UN, turned out to have been partly plagiarised from a graduate student and stitched together by spin-doctors.

(bolding added by me)

[Whaleboy]

And Blair today was sweating it out denying that they doctored the reports, whereas the allegations were that he embezzled them. Makes one even more suspicious when they start laying down the red herring, and giving politicians answers.

[TheStinger]

Tony Blair is probably rated now wuite highly on a personal level, however the Labour party as a whole is doing less well. There are problems with Health, transport and europe.

The left of the labour party probably hate Tony Balir more than the Tories. The left in Britain have always had a problem with the US and with anyone who shows any signs of not agreeing with 50 year old socialist ideas.

However the Tories are still a mess so there isn't much chance of them getting back into power.

The WMD thing will blow over Claire Short has no credibility and Cook still thinks he can be PM.

Gordon Brown is probably the big winner in all this as I think Blair will think that he has had enough of all the stress and will go off and run the UN or something similar.