Finally the reason for the war on Iraq

[Whaleboy]

"Germany is taking many Muslims in every year and turn them into ardent anti-westerners. How sad"

Undoubtably because of poor conditions, that seems to be a phenonemon for asylum seekers across Europe. What does one expect when one treats people like animals, or commodities?

[Whaleboy]

"I think what he is saying is that Florida wasn't a major forgery"



To be fair on the neocon fraudsters, we've all done it. Hands up everyone who faked a bus-pass as a kid!!

[Victor Galis]

You mean how the democrats approved the butterfly ballots, and then blamed them for their loss? Stupidity on the part of the losing party does not constitute fraud on the part of the winning party.

-You mean how the "Democrat" in charge of the ballots had only recently switched parties for political reasons? But I think he might have been reffering to the thousands of people removed from the voter rolls because they had a name similar to that of a convicted felon or had the same birthdate. Bush specifically ordered the company who he outsourced this task to use the loosest criteria for finding felons on the voter roles even against specific warnings that this would turn up thousands of false positives? Or maybe it was some of the military absentee ballots counted even though they were postmarked days after the election?

[Kirnwaffen]

Hardly counts as contempt when someone prefers Saddam in Iraq than the Americans

Prefering one thing over another doesn't necessarily mean you don't find both contemptible.

And no, the situation under Saddam was in no way comparable to the political situation in the UK. In the UK, you can actually express your contempt, ridicule, etc. without being imprisoned, killed, or worse.

I believe that before the war, Saddam was laying off with the oppression somewhat

That makes it all better. Even if he was (and I seriously doubt he was), how does that change anything? You think a revolt would have been crushed any less brutally?

As for installing a puppet government in Iraq, I think the US would have a difficult time. The Iraqi people aren't stupid, nor are they as apathetic as the Americans. They'll recognize American puppetry if they see it, and elect a new government. If the US tries to interfere, I think there will be serious hell to pay.

[Victor Galis]

As for installing a puppet government in Iraq, I think the US would have a difficult time. The Iraqi people aren't stupid, nor are they as apathetic as the Americans. They'll recognize American puppetry if they see it, and elect a new government. If the US tries to interfere, I think there will be serious hell to pay

-But do the Americans realize this?

[DinoDoc]

God! When will you people let that go! If Gore had been competent enough to win his home state Florida wouldn't have mattered in the least.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless

Did I say that was bad? I just want to remind you that "Zucht und Ordnung" are not what leftists and liberals stand for. If you really love these concepts, think twice before throwing in the same lot with lefists.

Leftists? Contempt for Bush and his ilk is absolutely mainstream here, and we're a very conservative country.

"Germany is taking many Muslims in every year and turn them into ardent anti-westerners. How sad."

About 1 % of muslims in Germany qualifies as radical fundamentalists. Nobody knows what that figure is for America, as you prefer to ignore the problem.

[Whaleboy]

"Prefering one thing over another doesn't necessarily mean you don't find both contemptible"

Perhaps, but degrees of contempt.

"And no, the situation under Saddam was in no way comparable to the political situation in the UK. In the UK, you can actually express your contempt, ridicule, etc. without being imprisoned, killed, or worse"

In terms of what people think of him, it is comparable. The actual mechanics of the policies is a completely different matter.

"You think a revolt would have been crushed any less brutally?"

He was tolerating a slightly larger degree of dissent than previously when he was younger. It is a possible explanation for why the Iraqi people havent rose up against Saddam for years. Another reason was the fear after the previous ones failed when the Americans refused to help after the gulf war I, which would seem to indicate that concern for Iraqi people doesnt exactly rank particularly highly. A convenient, emotive excuse for a people whose government has blinded them by the flag.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, see we actually are fairly open to immigrants. At least compared to the xenophobia of Europe.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler


Leftists? Contempt for Bush and his ilk is absolutely mainstream here, and we're a very conservative country.

"Germany is taking many Muslims in every year and turn them into ardent anti-westerners. How sad."

About 1 % of muslims in Germany qualifies as radical fundamentalists. Nobody knows what that figure is for America, as you prefer to ignore the problem.

Anyway, opinions in your tiny mountain hinterland matter little.

[Whaleboy]

"But do the Americans realize this?"

It is entirely plausible that the politicians are believing their own propaganda. The reaction of the Iraqi people on the ground seems to have surprised the Americans, and would seem to indicate that they do not research their "targets" fully.

The WMD issue shows, that even if weapons turn up or not, that the US went into this war, with their major argument, purported as fact to the people, the UN, and other nations, was in fact mere speculation!!

[Whaleboy]

"Anyway, opinions in your tiny mountain hinterland matter little."

I think thats crossing a line

[Victor Galis]

God! When will you people let that go! If Gore had been competent enough to win his home state Florida wouldn't have mattered in the least.

-How is this relevant to electoral fraud in Florida?

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless


Anyway, opinions in your tiny mountain hinterland matter little.

We prefer the term "Arschland". Please comply.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
-How is this relevant to electoral fraud in Florida?

If you really want to talk about Florida, the only way Gore could have won would have been to give into the Bush counter-demand for a statewide recount rather than go for the targeted recounting he did.