Arab countries treat Palestinians far worse than Israel

[Drake Tungsten]

No one is denying you're more civilized. You just aren't as civilized as you should be.

It's rather naive to expect the Israelis to live up to the highest standards of civilzed behavior while locked in a struggle for survival with a downright barbaric enemy. It's a sad fact of life that one must often become more like one's enemy in order to defeat them. Criticizing the Israelis for their treatment of the Pals while letting the Arab states off the hook is akin to criticizing the less than humane behavior of the US in WWII while making no mention of the fascist evil they were fighting.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

could not a protest help give support to the people in SA who wish to gain those democratic reforms and work for them

What are they going to do? Seriously. When you are under the control of a dictatorship, the best way to change it is from the top. You talk to the guy in charge and tell them how good it is to have these things.

Because SA individuals would never push for reforms or move against extremism?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/5841225.htm

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=ourWorldNews&storyID=2785876

[Imran Siddiqui]

Criticizing the Israelis for their treatment of the Pals while letting the Arab states off the hook is akin to criticizing the less than humane behavior of the US in WWII while making no mention of the fascist evil they were fighting.

Why should I make mention of fascist evil when discussing how wrong the US was in bombing Dresden? What the fascists did has no bearing on that, and we were supposed to be the good guys. Bombing Dresden didn't do anything (it didn't shorten the war). I don't see why in EVERY debate, I have to talk also about the bad things the other side did as well!

[GePap]

"Two wrong's don;t make a right" exists for a reason. there is no greate act of moral subjectivity than that. Draek, when you begin to discuss the evils of Palestinian terrorism, do you think it is important then to discuss the evils of the Israeli occupation as well? I know it happens all the time, but do you think its valid? Fron you previous statement, I guess you do think its valid, in such a situation, no?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Because SA individuals would never push for reforms or move against extremism?

Because SA individuals have any impact on the leadership?

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Because SA individuals would never push for reforms or move against extremism?

Because SA individuals have any impact on the leadership?

Well, they certainly won't if every time someone considers it, people just roll there eyes.

Change starts with the acts of single people.

[GePap]

Yes, they d. But in SA, those individual acting are most likely to be islamists, not people firendly to the West. The day the US stops supporitng the sauds and Mubarak is th day we start getting movement towards liberal leaning arabs trying to change their states.

[Drake Tungsten]

"Two wrong's don;t make a right" exists for a reason.

I never said Arab misbehavior makes Israeli actions "right". I just understand the frustration Israelis must feel when they are treated as the most evil people on earth while their enemies avoid criticism while committing actions more heinous than their own.

Draek, when you begin to discuss the evils of Palestinian terrorism, do you think it is important then to discuss the evils of the Israeli occupation as well? I know it happens all the time, but do you think its valid? Fron you previous statement, I guess you do think its valid, in such a situation, no?

Yes, it is very valid. You can't truly understand Palestinian terrorism unless you also understand the Israeli occupation, just as you can't really understand the Israeli occupation unless you understand the greater Israeli-Arab struggle.

[GePap]

Hmm, should I say we agree???

Why not?

Are you still in Japan? (or did you eve go there yet?)

[Drake Tungsten]

I leave on August 2nd. Just mailed off my visa paperwork today.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by paiktis22
in other arab countries they dont have their houses demolished and their kids killed.


really is there any kind of intelligence in this thread despite my own?

Well you better read up on what is happing in Baghdad.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It's true. Other Arabs as well as most of the rest of the world see Palestinians as dangerous and almost subhuman. Still, so many of them act so poorly (indeed criminally) is it any wonder that stereotypes get created?

There is nothing wrong with this statement. He is telling it like it is.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by gsmoove23


More to do with massive influxes of immigrants who seriously destabilized those countries then any hatred of the Palestinians. Lebanon paid in brutal civil war for Israel's expulsions.

It's to bad that some of you were not around when Jordan removed most of the Palestinians from their country, to the West Bank some 25 or more years ago. A lot of Pals did not make the trip, because, they were just plain shot.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Joseph
It's to bad that some of you were not around when Jordan removed most of the Palestinians from their country, to the West Bank some 25 or more years ago. A lot of Pals did not make the trip, because, they were just plain shot.

Yep.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Che is right. We give more leeway to liberation movements.... though of course for the longest time, Palestinians were demonized in the US.

che is indulging in one of the more scummy parts of subjective morality by excusing intentional attacks on civilian populations simply because he likes the cause they represent.