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    The suffering Palestinians


    By Mona Charen

    In 1867, Mark Twain visited the Holy Land and was dismayed at what he found, “a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds — a silent, mournful expanse. … A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. … We never saw a human being on the whole route. … There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.” (From “The Innocents Abroad.”)


    In 1867, Mark Twain visited the Holy Land and was dismayed at what he found, "a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds — a silent, mournful expanse. ... A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. ... We never saw a human being on the whole route. ... There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country." (From "The Innocents Abroad.")
    The land to which Jews began to return in large numbers during the final two decades of the 19th century — the land they transformed from desert to orange groves, cities and kibbutzim — was largely empty, not the thriving "nation of Palestine," as the current myth has it.
    One thinks of this because today's news brings fresh reports of the pitiless persecution of the Palestinians — not by Jews, but by their fellow Arabs — which is the true story of Palestinian oppression.
    The Lebanese government, the New York Times reports, is considering revoking the citizenship it awarded to about 25,000 Palestinians in 1994, a move that will cost many of them their jobs, schools, homes and access to health care. "They are not welcomed," writes reporter Daniel J. Wakin, "by a government that declares its allegiance to the struggle for a Palestinian right to a homeland."
    Lebanon, like Israel's other Arab neighbors, refused to absorb Arab refugees in 1948, placing them in camps instead. (Israel, by contrast, absorbed and made citizens of the 500,000 Jews who fled Arab lands at the same time.) Twelve refugee camps remain housing most of the 400,000 Palestinians who live in Lebanon. Lebanese law declares them to be stateless and, as such, forbidden to own land outside the refugee camps.
    The camps are a disgrace — far worse than anything in the Israeli-administered territories (and Israel surrendered the day-to-day running of civilian life to the Palestinian Authority after the Oslo Accords). "Waste water runs through a trough in the alleys," reports the Times. "Human waste is disposed of in pits beneath homes. Some of the alleys have grown so jumbled that waste-removal trucks cannot get through, and filled-up pits are becoming a problem. ... Residents say the Lebanese army, which has a checkpoint at the camp's entrance, sometimes searches cars to make sure no unauthorized building materials enter, so the camp does not become more permanent.
    Though the Palestinians are ethnically, culturally, religiously and linguistically indistinguishable from their neighbors in Lebanon, they are rejected and excluded from Lebanese society only to make a point about Lebanon's (read Syria's) total rejection of Israel's existence.
    Arab governments deny this and claim that the camps will be closed just as soon as the "right of return" is recognized. But they of course know that the "right of return" would mean that up to 4,500,000 Palestinians living all over the world would have the right to settle in Israel. Israel could never accept nearly 5,000,000 implacably hostile Arabs. Israel is already home to 1,000,000 Arab citizens who can vote and even serve in the Knesset.
    The Lebanese, or rather the Syrians, who invaded and control the country, certainly know that the Palestinians living in those camps will never "return" to Israel. So why keep them in such squalid conditions? As a breeding ground for terrorists, perhaps?
    Following the Persian Gulf war in 1991, Kuwait simply clapped its hands and expelled up to 300,000 Palestinians. Why? Because Yasser Arafat had sided with Saddam Hussein in the war. The Palestinians had been integrated into Kuwaiti society, working at all kinds of jobs, from engineering to computer to menial work. Many had been born there. But the Kuwaiti royal family had no qualms about uprooting them. Ambassador Saud Nasir Sabah said, "They didn't represent a necessity to us." There was hardly a peep from the world community. Certainly there was no condemnation by the United Nations.
    There is very little sincere concern around the world for the "plight" of the Palestinians. If there were, their situation in Arab countries would draw more attention. As it is, Palestinians are only useful as a club with which to beat Israel. It is disgusting that the Arabs are willing to do this to their own cousins, and equally dismaying that world opinion endorses it.

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    Shouldn't all you folks who voice such concern for the plight of the Palestinians be criticizing these Arab countries once in a while? Why do you concentrate so much on Israel when Palestinians in Israel are treated far better than they are in Arab countries?
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  • #2
    In other countries, the Pals are foreign refugees. In Israel and the occupied territories, they are not foreign, and they've mostly been made refugees.
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    • #3
      Anyone here ever praise fellow arab treatment of palestinians?

      First of all, the Twain quotes are misquotes, and useless, except for baseless porpaganda (British land surveys give you a much better picture). The whole "it was empty" notion is also easily disrpoved, if you get your ass to a library (a damn good one) and look at demographic surveys and censuses of the area. Oh, and her bit about the right of return, yet more crap.

      But beyind that obvious propaganda at the start (after all, its the Washington times), the author is correct, neighboring Arab states treat palestinains terribly. Which means that their statements tat they are doing this for the Palestinains is crap: they are a bunch of bald faced hypocrites, specially the Syrians.

      This also put to bed the moronic notion that palestinains are just any other Arabs, and can just simply be moved into other Arab states. Obvisouly, that would not work, so giving them self-determination in the west Bank and Gaza is the only way.
      If you don't like reality, change it! me
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      • #4
        in other arab countries they dont have their houses demolished and their kids killed.


        really is there any kind of intelligence in this thread despite my own?

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        • #5
          I love an article that starts with the Mark Twain lie. Even more so since "Innocents Abroad" is conveniently on the net where it can quickly be checked for ACCURATE quotes like this one...

          We traversed some miles of desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds--a silent, mournful expanse, wherein we saw only three persons--Arabs
          as opposed to this...

          a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds — a silent, mournful expanse.
          Obviously Twain is referring to a small part of a journey, an isolated part of Palestine. Or here...

          We never saw a human being on the whole route, much less lawless hordes of Bedouins. Tabor stands solitary and alone, a giant sentinel above the Plain of Esdraelon.
          Again talking of a single route, where they had been warned of dangerous bedouins and refused paying for guards. More telling is the following description of their climbing a hill and the resulting view.

          Below, was the broad, level plain of Esdraelon, checkered with fields like a chess-board, and full as smooth and level, seemingly; dotted about its borders with white, compact villages, and faintly penciled, far and near, with the curving lines of roads and trails. When it is robed in the fresh verdure of spring, it must form a charming picture, even by itself.
          Waste of time :

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          • #6
            hi ,

            no sweat , but when we ( meaning the Israeli or Jewish posters ) say this , its not true , ....

            you should come to Israel and see some of them , especially on the egyptian border , .... the marks on some peoples backs , .... or the ones the un does not care about and move in the golan , coming from syria , ...

            have a nice day
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            • #7
              It's true. Other Arabs as well as most of the rest of the world see Palestinians as dangerous and almost subhuman. Still, so many of them act so poorly (indeed criminally) is it any wonder that stereotypes get created?
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              • #8
                You seem to be the only one calling anyone sub-human Oerdin, which says far more about your feeligns towards palestinains and Arabs than about anyone elses.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                • #9
                  I didn't call anyone subhuman. And Palestinians are treated very poorly both inside and outside the Arab world. Notice how we are talking about stereotyes here? Yes, these are the stereotypes which both Arabs and nonArabs often place upon Palestinians. Have you ever noticed to what great lengths many Palestinian immigraints will go to not say they are Palestinian? This has to do with the descimination they face as a result of stereotypes.
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                  • #10
                    You seem to be the only one calling anyone sub-human Oerdin

                    Yeah, bash the **** out of that strawman.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #11
                      I found that remark to be along the lines of "how long have you been beating your wife?". It wasn't true at all. Gepapr: If you would like someone to clarify something they said then just ask them to rather then accuss someone of something different.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paiktis22
                        in other arab countries they dont have their houses demolished and their kids killed.


                        really is there any kind of intelligence in this thread despite my own?
                        your intelligence?

                        have you ever seen the refugee camps in Jordan, Syrian and Lebanon. The local police, especially in Jordan, has a tendency to just what you accuse Israel of doing.

                        In 3 days the Syrian government has killed more palestinians than Israel has in the 35 years the "palestinians" exist. Jordan has outdone us too, by a massive margin.

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                        • #13
                          Shorter Mona Charen: It's okay to beat someone up if his relatives are also abusive to him.
                          "When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alvaro


                            your intelligence?

                            have you ever seen the refugee camps in Jordan, Syrian and Lebanon. The local police, especially in Jordan, has a tendency to just what you accuse Israel of doing.

                            In 3 days the Syrian government has killed more palestinians than Israel has in the 35 years the "palestinians" exist. Jordan has outdone us too, by a massive margin.
                            More to do with massive influxes of immigrants who seriously destabilized those countries then any hatred of the Palestinians. Lebanon paid in brutal civil war for Israel's expulsions.

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                            • #15
                              What can I say? The true reality of the Middle East is very simple. Arabs can kill Arabs, Jews cant.
                              "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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