Abortion......I will now use my psychic powers to predict the most popular....

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Vesayen


If a teen cant keep their pants on, any harm that comes to them is entirley their fault...... I turn 18 in a few weeks-im saving it for marriage-if I can, so can they.

No problem.

So, now that the teens are forced to carry to term a baby that they don't want, they can become terrific mothers, right? I mean, they wouldn't possibly resent the child, would they?

Or they can just give them all up for adoption. Just look at how much room our orphanages and foster homes have today...why, I'm sure another million kids a year added to it won't be any problem!

You don't mind paying for those kids, do you? Because I know conservatives tend to be against social welfare, which would include the necessary institutions to care for these kids. You do think the government can adequately raise these kids until they are 18, right? I mean, foster kids would never turn out to be criminals or anything, would they?

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by MRT144
its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway.

Well at least you see it as evil. That is a good start.

[MRT144]

Vesayen, why do you hold teens responsible for actions that will ruin their life, and the childs life, when it doesnt have to be that way.

I completely agree with boris.

if i had my way, after your first abortion you are put on birth control immediatley, after your second, youre sterilized.

[Lincoln]

Actually Boris there are many thousands of people waiting to adopt children. There is not a lack of willing parents who could raise an unwanted child. Anyway, surely killing the kid should not be an option, or should it? I saw a talk show on TV once where a father was pleading for his girlfriend not to abort their baby. He was roundly condemned by the audience for being so selfish in not wanting to kill the child before he had a chance to live with a mother who did not want him. I think that logic is rather twisted.

[Shi Huangdi]

Boris, no doubt there will be difficulties for that child if it is born. That doesn't meany they have a right to murder it.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Lincoln


Well at least you see it as evil. That is a good start.

i dont think anyone goes around advocating abortion as the only end to a pregnancy. i think its universal that people dont like abortion, but sometimes it is the best option for the people involved.

[Lincoln]

at least all the people except the baby.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Vesayen
If a teen cant keep their pants on, any harm that comes to them is entirley their fault...... I turn 18 in a few weeks-im saving it for marriage-if I can, so can they.

Sure, that's your choice. Some teenagers cannot control their urges that well, and many do not want to wait that long. Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should. What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy?

[Vesayen]

"So, now that the teens are forced to carry to term a baby that they don't want, they can become terrific mothers, right? I mean, they wouldn't possibly resent the child, would they?"



Then they shouldnt of had sex-or should of used better protection. Responsibilities for your actions? I know-its a foreign concept in our society.



"Or they can just give them all up for adoption. Just look at how much room our orphanages and foster homes have today...why, I'm sure another million kids a year added to it won't be any problem!"

Would you rather be in a foster hoom, or not born? You know the answer to that.


"You don't mind paying for those kids, do you? Because I know conservatives tend to be against social welfare, which would include the necessary institutions to care for these kids. You do think the government can adequately raise these kids until they are 18, right? I mean, foster kids would never turn out to be criminals or anything, would they?"

Your drawing other-wordly conclusions..... people make it sound like our countries adoption/foster care system is the seventh level of the thirteenth pit of hell...... most people come out of them fine...... Im not a liberal or conserative btw, I have views of both sides(and wish both the Republicans and the Democrats would fall into the sea).





"Vesayen, why do you hold teens responsible for actions that will ruin their life, and the childs life, when it doesnt have to be that way."

The child's life isnt neccesarily ruined...... and who are you to decide whether someones life is "worth living" or not? There is a TREMENDOUS amount of information given to most teens in America now a days about sex and the responsabilities..... if they choose to ignore that information and risk it-thinking that it only happens to "other people" that is their risk-if you play russian roulet dont complain when you get the bullet....



"if i had my way, after your first abortion you are put on birth control immediatley, after your second, youre sterilized"

In stay of a ban on abortion, I'd agree for that also.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Drogue

Sure, that's your choice. Some teenagers cannot control their urges that well, and many do not want to wait that long. Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should. What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy?

...or they could just spend a few bucks to buy the damn pill.

[Cruddy]

Personally, I never comment on abortion.

Why?

Because I'm a bloke. It's none of my business.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Drogue

Sure, that's your choice. Some teenagers cannot control their urges that well, and many do not want to wait that long. Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should. What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy?

If you dont have self control, your an animal, and deserve to be treated as one......

"Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should"

Your trying to say that it is entirley my choice, therefore it is wrong to empose that choice on others-showing I am somehow morraly incorect, thus my viewpoint is...... the problem with that line of reasoning is that you entirley forgot the fact that the result of that iresponsability may en up with a murder(abortion), which is one HECK of an imposment on another pe rson-so your wrong.




"What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy?"

They should be DAMN sure to use the pill regularly.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Lincoln
at least all the people except the baby.

thats if you believe the baby is viable at conception

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
...or they could just spend a few bucks to buy the damn pill.

Which also completely messes up hormones, and chas many side effects. I would never force anyone to take medication, unless they were seriously mentally ill.

[Lorizael]

People should use protection, Vesayen, but no form of protection (save abstinence) is perfect.

Should a child be forced into an environment with very poor conditions simply because of an accident? The creation of life shouldn't be able to happen because a piece of latex tears.

Obviously, abstinence until a stable, child friendly environment is in place would be the best possible situation, but to only teach abstinence will lead to a lot of sex without any protection.

Take Texas for example. They stopped teaching methods of protection other than abstinence, and now they have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the United States.