Abortion......I will now use my psychic powers to predict the most popular....

[Vesayen]

mothers day card 20 years from now, with the current trend society is taking:


*concentreates*


To My Dearest Mother
I am Glad I was Convenient
Thank you for not Aborting me
-Mostly ambiguous to you *yournamehere*

[orange]

would you prefer it be done in back alleys by maniacs with coat hangers and steak knives?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by orange
would you prefer it be done in back alleys by maniacs with coat hangers and steak knives?

I find it hard to feel sympathy for someone who dies as they try to commit a murder......

[Skanky Burns]

I predict this thread will be aborted.

[Lorizael]

You didn't answer the question, Vesayen. If a person wants something, they will do whatever it takes to get it. Just look at Prohibition. Making things illegal just makes it all the worse when it does happen.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Lorizael
You didn't answer the question, Vesayen. If a person wants something, they will do whatever it takes to get it. Just look at Prohibition. Making things illegal just makes it all the worse when it does happen.

The only case it is acceptable is when the mothers life is known to be in danger(less then 1% of all abortions in America)....

Your making the assumption I would think it is bad if someone dies-regardless of the reasoning.

Bad assumption.

If someone dies because they want to kill their baby with a coathanger, anything that they get is well deserved(Think of it as Karma)-if nothing else it will be a reason to have sex responsably.

[St Leo]

Aaah, two people with the same avatar arguing opposite viewpoints. This is the Seventh Sign of the Apocalypse!

Personally, I prefer International Women's Day over Mother's Day because I think it sends a healthier message.

Vesayen, abortion will never become the primary method of birth control (and without reactionary opposition to birth control, it is likely to never even be used in twenty years due to superior prevention).

[Lorizael]

Well that's where the difference lies then, yes.

I think violence is wrong in all cases.

Btw, my opinion on abortion is pretty wavy right now. So I'm actually not arguing against Vesayen, more playing devil's advocate.

People always say it's the woman's choice, but when it concerns the creation of an individual human being, it really isn't.

I think my indecision in this area comes from not knowing when a fetus is human. I have no qualms regarding the soul or the argument that the fetus will become a human, I just don't want an actual human being to die.

My avatar was chosen at random, iirc. I'm about fifty posts away, but I'll never get there. The disappointment of Civ III drove me away from that forum and forever placed me in the OT.

[Drogue]

Re: Abortion......I will now use my psychic powers to predict the most popular....

Originally posted by Vesayen
To My Dearest Mother
I am Glad I was Convenient
Thank you for not Aborting me
-Mostly ambiguous to you *yournamehere*

Actually, this is not a million miles away from what I do feel about my parents. I am thankful that they chose to have me, to raise and care for me, and to take a large chunk of their life to devote to me. I thank them for choosing to have me. I am thankful because it is such a huge sacrifice, and I do not feel that they had any duty or obligation to give up that sacrifice. It was their choice to make, and I am thankful that they made that one. I owe my life to their choices, to conceive me, to care for me, etc. and the fact they had another one, whether or not to abort me, does not seem that significant to me. The reason I am pro-choice, is because I do not see a difference between choosing not to conceive, and choosing to have an abortion. Either way, a child is not born, that could have been. Also, I see abortion not just as the killing of an unborn child, but I see it as the mother choosing to remove her services. I think that is the womens right. I don't think my parents ever had an obligation to care for me, before or after I was born. That is why I am thankful that they did.

Is it so bad to be convenient? Are not planned children planned to be convenient, at convenient times in their parents lives?

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by orange
would you prefer it be done in back alleys by maniacs with coat hangers and steak knives?

No, it should be done in sterile clinics by educated opportunists with no ethics. How does the fact that it is now done by doctors using medical instruments make it right?

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Abortion......I will now use my psychic powers to predict the most popular....

Originally posted by Vesayen
mothers day card 20 years from now, with the current trend society is taking:

Actually, the current "trend" is a dramatic decrease in the numbers of abortions performed and a shift in public opinion towards less approval for abortion.

More babies have been prevented by condoms and birth control than by abortion. So will Father's Day cards read:

"Dear Dad, thanks for not wasting your spunk on another orifice. Love, Timmy"?

[Shi Huangdi]

"Just look at Prohibition. Making things illegal just makes it all the worse when it does happen."

So what about prohibition of comitting murder? We don't stop banning murder because we can't put an end to all of it. Abortion is also a great crime, and we should also not allow the fact that we can't stop all abortion from banning them.

[MRT144]

its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Abortion is also a great crime, and we should also not allow the fact that we can't stop all abortion from banning them.

So is using a condom a great crime as well?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by MRT144
its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway.

If a teen cant keep their pants on, any harm that comes to them is entirley their fault...... I turn 18 in a few weeks-im saving it for marriage-if I can, so can they.