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Originally posted by LoneWolf
Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things?
Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things?
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I read Le Monde occasionally. Where do you see anything that compares?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324) -
Don't recall any other Western nation setting themselves up at odds with NATO during the Cold War, or wishing well to the people who sought to tear a country apart which had recently sent it's sons off to die on their beaches for their liberty.(\__/)
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Of course not. But even the NY Times is not immune. It loves to blow up fat stories about antisemitic France, it parrots every government rubbish (attributed, but that doesn't matter much), and it has that clown Safire who makes up stuff as he goes along.Originally posted by DinoDoc
The Washington Times?
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Does France really care about a paper in the midst of turning itself into a complete joke on the level of the New York Post?Originally posted by HershOstropoler
But even the NY Times is not immune.
People in the US don't generally read editorials for news.and it has that clown Safire who makes up stuff as he goes along.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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WAAAAAAAAH!!!!
**** em. If our rough language hurts them, they can do something back. Like um say bad stuff or something.Comment
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Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?Originally posted by gsmoove23
LoneWolf, who doesn't. We always act accordingly by serving our own interests, even if they diverge from the interests of our allies.
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be?I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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Maybe they can use the Force de Frappe?
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No, unless it is a symptom of a broader problem. And rampant anti-europeanism has always been there, it just got worse. I loved it when a US news networks opened a report about Waldheim with a map of Austria in brown and a Swastika over it. Goebbbels would be proud of them.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does France really care about a paper in the midst of turning itself into a complete joke on the level of the New York Post?
As for Safire: editorials are not news, fine, but why should they be completely detached from reality, rather than giving an opinion on facts?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Funny you say that, as the Americans are much worse sissys than the French in this little exchange.Originally posted by GP
WAAAAAAAAH!!!!
**** em. If our rough language hurts them, they can do something back. Like um say bad stuff or something.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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I don't care. Do whatever you like, rant as much as you like, in the end it will make little difference in French-US relations. I just find it funny that so many posters here are willing to go along with the fad of French bashing with such serious comments.Originally posted by LoneWolf
Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be?Comment
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Hersh: Hard to argue in the abstract, but I get the impression that it is Safire's opinions, not his facts, that bother you so.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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Alright now I'm shamed especially in light of Chirac's diareha of the mouth.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Funny you say that, as the Americans are much worse sissys than the French in this little exchange.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Safire as such doesn't bother me, the least his opinions. The guy writes quite well, but when he makes up supposed statements of german ministers, hallucinates about friendship between Chirac and Saddam and stuff like that, it's just totally silly. He should write that in the funny farm, not in a newspaper.
It's also quite odd to me. While there is no sharp destinction between news and opinion in european papers (exception UK tabloids - and in the US, it's mostly a fiction anyway), there hardly is the kind of editorial that's totally fictional.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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I really do want to reconcile with the French, really! But my fries have never tested so good as since I started with the new name.Comment
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As for the connection between Chirac and Saddam, there was something written on this subject which was quite damning (not by Safire, but I don't recall who), so this is not a "hallucination".
And Hersh, your anti-Americanism oozes from every pore (for example-"in the US, mostly a fiction ,anyway"), so your views on this issue are not really all that compelling.Last edited by LoneWolf; May 17, 2003, 03:12.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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