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  • #76
    Originally posted by notyoueither


    The problem was actively opposing. Sending the Foreign Minister out to round up support against. In other words, setting themselves up as active opponents, rather than to simply dissent.
    Still, what's the problem? France acted actively against the US government's interests. The US government acted actively against French interests (and that of their own country, but who cares).

    So again, what's the problem? Only America has the right to annoy other countries?
    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #77
      Originally posted by LoneWolf
      NYE- Well put.
      Hersh- You Euros want to play hardball, that's just fine. So why the whining now?
      Who's whining?

      Also, we are still some way from the point of playing hardball. First we have to be convinced that Bushism is an incurable desease ripping through America. Then we have to get of the resident poodles, like Blair. Then we can play hardball. You'll like it.
      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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      • #78
        The basic reason why French don't like us is that we speak the language they hate the most: the English.

        It is true though that the English has screwed over the French many many times in history. Some notable ones:

        - 100 years War, including the burning of Jean d'Arc at stake.

        - The 7 Years War. The Brits first got the French entangled in a nasty war against Prussia, then proceeded to rob French colonies one after another. By 1763, the French lost ALL their North American and Indian possessions.

        - Foiled Napoleon's attempt to conquer the Europe (world?).


        I honestly don't expect the French to ever forgive what the English had done to them.

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        • #79
          L'anglais de Msr Merciless est très drôle.

          "100 years War, including the burning of Jean d'Arc at stake"

          A minor setback for the French. Who was left ass beaten in 1453? Not the French....
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #80
            Well. I'm getting a little tired of beating my head against this wall, but dear Hersh, they do have the right. But even actions within one's rights have consequences, and we have the right, in turn, to recognize and respond to their actions.
            But I realize you would rather respond to the idea that the French don't have the "right", because tht response is much easier.
            I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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            • #81
              I dont really any of us gained from the 100 years, but you are right in the fact we have screwed the french over, Napoleon's defeat was the best. The best recent one was WW2 tho, we had to rescue them and that was humiliation. The French are a very bitter set of people to say the least tho.

              Still it's not all down to England why France hates America, but partly because France is insecure about the amount of power America has, and do not want to feel ruled by them. The French people are , well - the French, they are unique with thier own culture and want to feel free of any of external rule, however letting them have the indepance of thier own country clearly isnt enough.

              Cheers
              Matt
              Up The Millers

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              • #82
                Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                Then we can play hardball. You'll like it.
                Please.
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                • #83
                  "Bushism"?
                  I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by HershOstropoler


                    Still, what's the problem? France acted actively against the US government's interests. The US government acted actively against French interests (and that of their own country, but who cares).

                    So again, what's the problem? Only America has the right to annoy other countries?
                    There is no big problem. France has come out of the closet. They have dropped all pretence of being allies. Or, at least they had. Now they seem to be trying to back peddle for whatever reason they think that is good.

                    There is no problem, the way the Yanks seem to see it. The French are squarley out there as opponents. Not the first time some country or other has set themselves up squarely opposed to the Yanks. What, do you see this as a problem? Do the French? Maybe they decided they don't like contemplating the repercussions?

                    Only America annoy other countries? No, by all means. I think I mentioned how the French have been constant annoyances to someone or other since 1945 when they were given their country back to them after not having the balls to keep it for themselves.
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                    • #85
                      I agree that French people are very proud. I don't think they ever come to terms with the fact world's lingua franca is English and the most powerful country in this world speaks English.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by LoneWolf
                        Well. I'm getting a little tired of beating my head against this wall, but dear Hersh, they do have the right. But even actions within one's rights have consequences, and we have the right, in turn, to recognize and respond to their actions.
                        Sure. Go ahead.
                        There are just two things that irritate me. The incredible selfrightousness of the American extreme right , and the voluntary Self-Gleichschaltung of the media.

                        But of course, you are free to shoot yourself in the feet as often as you chose. Just don't drag us into that mess.
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #87
                          NYE- I take back anything nasty I have ever said to you.
                          Now I'm off to bed.
                          I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by notyoueither
                            There is no big problem. France has come out of the closet. They have dropped all pretence of being allies.
                            From this side of the Atlantic, it looks like the Bushies have dropped any pretense of being an Ally.

                            But I'm actually not too unhappy about that development. Time to clear the air.
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #89
                              Lord Merciless, did you know they have a Minister of the Protection of the French language ?
                              Up The Millers

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                              • #90
                                The sel-righteousness of the American "extreme-right" has impacted you in Germany how, exactly? And we are dragging who, where?
                                I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--Patton

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