Abolish Tuition Fees, Vote Conservative!

[David Floyd]

Ooh, good point. But then again the US absence in WW1 would have forced a compromise peace anyway, hence no Hitler.

[Boris Godunov]

"What the Germans should have done is drop cook books on yo' asses!" - Chris Rock, I think.

[David Floyd]

[Method]

Originally posted by St Leo
Wow. Is there anyways that I could swap Ontario Tories for English Tories?

alas, no

[Lawrence of Arabia]

You either pay involuntary taxes, or join a voluntary insurance program and pay voluntary fees.

Taxes are voluntary. If you dont want to pay for the services of the government (tax = the price of their service) then dont buy government services aka leave the country.

[DanS]

Is this the Tories' try at policy cross-dressing? If so, they might as well join the Labor Party. At least then they would be in power.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

The government is also a monopoly. Its got a monopoly on the law, and on power. Image if corporations were allowed to become monopolies

[David Floyd]

That's a poor argument. Assuming I wanted to do that, I could not go anywhere and be able to avoid taxes/government regulation.

In any case, why should I have to move to be free?

[reds4ever]

Wheres the thead starter? Maybe getting an early night before getting up at the crack of noon for a 2pm lecture?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Because it seems to me the government is forcing you to pay taxes for something you dont want to have. If you want to eat, but dont want to pay for the bill, then dont go to the restaurant. If you want to live in America, but dont want to pay for it, then dont.

And yes, you could go to the Cayman islands, monaco, and a plethora of places where your income isnt taxed.

[Shi Huangdi]

The thing is, the richer a family is, the more likely it is you will be going to college. Hence, free tuition would in effect be a redistribution of wealth upward, as lower income families who are less likely to send their kids to college would pay taxes to a government that would pay for rich families sending their children to college. Now of course this disparity of college attendence would decrease if tuition was abolished, but a gap would still likely exist as poor would be students would find it much harder to accept to opportunity cost of not working, and lower income families often have values that don't stress education as much, and because children from higher income families tend to have higher qualifications for university. Free tuition would also mean a redistribution of wealth from childless families to families with children.

Now, if you want to argue for more financial aid to poorer families, then that is fine. But you shouldn't go asking for tuition for Bill Gates' children to be free.

[David Floyd]

Because it seems to me the government is forcing you to pay taxes for something you dont want to have. If you want to eat, but dont want to pay for the bill, then dont go to the restaurant. If you want to live in America, but dont want to pay for it, then dont.

Whoa. Going to a restaurant is a totally voluntary act involving no coercion. I'm not born in a restaurant, and the restaurant has no hold over my money until I ask for it to. I can come and go as a please, order (and pay) as much or as little as I would like, and if they piss me off, I can stay away and have my life impacted in no way at all.

And yes, you could go to the Cayman islands, monaco, and a plethora of places where your income isnt taxed.

Although I would be subject to various other impositions on my freedom.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Have state schools and private schools. Have state healthcare and private healthcare. Have state insurance and private insurance. Why force people into choosing only the market solution? Let them choose between what the government has to offer and what the private sector has to offer.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Whoa. Going to a restaurant is a totally voluntary act involving no coercion. I'm not born in a restaurant, and the restaurant has no hold over my money until I ask for it to. I can come and go as a please, order (and pay) as much or as little as I would like, and if they piss me off, I can stay away and have my life impacted in no way at all.

And living in America is your choice also.

Although I would be subject to various other impositions on my freedom.

Such as? Im sure not as many as you are subject to now.

[David Floyd]

Sure, no problem - AS LONG AS people who choose no insurance/healthcare or private insurance/healthcare aren't also forced to fund government programs.

If you want to give your money to the government and pay them for a service that they are ill-suited to provide, in comparison to the private sector, go right ahead. I'd rather not, though, and I shouldn't be forced to.