Stupid patriotic Americans

[Ned]

Originally posted by Master Zen


As well as every other "bad" regime in history right?

I wonder who's going to solve the problem of a "bad" US government...

The are a lot of Americans who promised us that they would leave the US if Bush got elected. They are still here. All of them. But they, like you, see no good in the United States. Our internvention in Iraq is evil, to them, because Bush did it. Bush, a Republican.

I only wish these Bush bashers, like Sean Penn, would visit Iraq now and see how long they even survive. I bet angry mobs will tear them limb for limb because they supported a brutal dictator.

Master Zen, on the issue of Latin America not wanting us, I bet they do want us when law and order completely breaks down and mobs are wandering the streets. The people who want us are the avearage folk who simply want good government that will protect them and their property. The people of Latin American who do not want us are the communists and their allies who want to impose an egalitarian dark age on Latin America in the mold of Castro's medieval nightmare of abuse.

Think about it.

Why are you, Master Zen, taking the sides of brutal dictators, theives and communists against America? Are you one of these?

[Sava]

thats right... if you aren't with us, you're against us

what a crock of sh1t

[Master Zen]

Ned, you haven't even been to Latin America most likely, who the hell are you to know what they want and need???

YOU are the narrow-minded one who seems to brand everyone a "communist" if he doesn't share the US view of the world. Communism is dead buddy, it's dead everywhere in Latin America. Castro is the last one and he will surely be gone. You don't know squat about Latin American politics, ideologies, etc. all you are doing is blasting nonsense based on no fact whatsoever. I dare you, I really do, to come over, spend some time and then repeat exactly the same things you have been saying.

No I am not a communist, but thanks for asking I am a person who dislikes US interference in the foreign affairs of others. If that is "communism" to you, look in the mirror and see who's the one who's been brainwashed.

[Kramerman]

USA! USA! USA!

[Sava]

right on Master Zen... America is infected with a large group of ignorant people that don't know what goes on outside of their own little worlds. Politicians have these sheep brainwashed into thinking the world is black and white. And it's unfortunate because these people also vote...

"Democracy requires an informed public" -- Thomas Jefferson

But our information is controlled and fed to us with the goal of selling more commercial time and getting higher ratings. Rags like FOXnews make their money by preying off of real, sacred emotions like patriotism and twist it into a blind following IDENTICAL to the kind of fundamentalism Osama bin Laden perverts from the religion of Islam.

[Felch]

USA USA USA !!! WOOOOOOOOOO

Better watch out Ming or this'll turn into an American babe thread. I am fiercly committed to preventing any criticism of my country and will defend it will google searches of the hottest girls in America.

USA USA USA

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Kramerman
USA! USA! USA!

VIVA MEXICO

OUR GOVERNMENT IS FULL OF CRAP!!!!

(I mean it)

now THAT's patriotism

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Sava
right on Master Zen... America is infected with a large group of ignorant people that don't know what goes on outside of their own little worlds. Politicians have these sheep brainwashed into thinking the world is black and white. And it's unfortunate because these people also vote...

"Democracy requires an informed public" -- Thomas Jefferson

As long as 1 person sees the truth...there is hope

[Sava]

I am fiercly committed to preventing any criticism of my country

build a time machine and go back to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia... this is America... we don't need any more freedom-hating wolves in disguise...

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Master Zen


VIVA MEXICO

OUR GOVERNMENT IS FULL OF CRAP!!!!

(I mean it)

now THAT's patriotism

yes, your governemnt is crappy. Are you doing anything about that?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Kramerman
yes, your governemnt is crappy. Are you doing anything about that?

Is it any of your business?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
It believes in certain general principles such as democracy and human rights. We patriotic Americans are willing to fight for freedom, for ourselves for the sake of others.

Then why has the US just as, if not more often (let's avoid a count ) supported dictatorship and oppression, when the dictators and oppressors were friendly to US ideological and/or commercial interests?

Our patriotism is a belief that we can do good and have done good in liberating Iraq. When we succeed in liberating a people and bringing them freedom and justice from oppression and murder, we are proud. Such is American patriotism.

Then why is it that many of the people who espouse this line immediately find excuses for making Iraq a one-off exception, and finding reasons why we can't (won't) ever do anything about it - Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Sudan, dozens of other countries. Most of the same people who spout the "goodness" and "liberation" pablum also rationalize the relatively low pace of engagement and low level of financial commitment in Afghanistan by "we were only there to get rid of the Taleban and al Qaeda, anything else we do is a bonus." So why are these "good" "noble" "inclusive" folks looking for excuses to avoid having the invasion of Iraq become part of a consistent human rights doctrine?

You can't do this:

1. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
2. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
3. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
4. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
5. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
6. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator, oil, nobody likes him
7. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
8. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
9. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator, no oil, but nobody likes them either and they have terrorists

and say, "Hey, lets go get number 6 and number 9, because we're really nice guys who hate human rights abusers" and expect anyone else to believe that nonsense.

edit - fixed number

[Joseph]

Just reading through.

[Master Zen]

Great post MtG but I fear Ned has been permanently brainwashed... one more poor soul lost to FOX news...

[Kramerman]

and say, "Hey, lets go get number 5 and number 9, because we're really nice guys who hate human rights abusers" and expect anyone else to believe that nonsense.

did you mean 6 and 9?