Stupid patriotic Americans

[Ned]

Originally posted by Master Zen
So, then, anyone who DOESN'T belive that you can do good and have doon good in liberating Iraq is un-Patriotic? See what I mean?

Btw, don't even bring up democracy and human rights in the issue as there are countless examples of the US ignoring these things.

Our patriotism is based on our fundamental belief in democracy and human rights. We Americans do not assist the likes of Britain and France against Germany, China against Japan, South Korea against the Russians and Chinese, etc., for empire. We do it for democracy and human rights.

Those who oppose America because they are against democracy or human rights are our enemies. Some oppose us because they believe that we are Imperialists, that we are aquiring an Empire. That, though, is the propaganda of our enemies who historically have been the left and now are the Islamic right.

Now, tell us how we fail test because of Batista. Yes, to the extent Truman supported that man in '52, Truman was wrong. But, at the time we supported him, if we did, did we know he would rule as a brutal corrupt dictator?

[johncmcleod]

Of course it's the people's rights to boycott a product. It is also legal for the government to tell the public to persecute the people who disagree with the government's policies. It is also for the government to amend the constitution to take away free speech and all voting laws.

I'm not saying the people should not be allowed to boycott certain products, it just isn't right to bash someone for stating their opinion.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ned


Our patriotism is based on our fundamental belief in democracy and human rights. We Americans do not assist the likes of Britain and France against Germany, China against Japan, South Korea against the Russians and Chinese, etc., for empire. We do it for democracy and human rights.

So, economic empire doesn't count...

Democracy and human rights in China...once again, one of the US's biggest trade partners and notorious for precicely a lack of those two things you base your patriotism on. Tell me, are the congressmen and presidents who give MFN status to China traitors?

Those who oppose America because they are against democracy or human rights are our enemies. Some oppose us because they believe that we are Imperialists, that we are aquiring an Empire. That, though, is the propaganda of our enemies who historically have been the left and now are the Islamic right.

Frankly Ned, your discourse sounds to me the most recycled product of US propaganda imaginable, which for the record has been the single most effective propaganda maker in history (too bad it's starting to wear off thanks to Bush and co.). I can't believe you actually buy that...

...actually, I can.

Now, tell us how we fail test because of Batista. Yes, to the extent Truman supported that man in '52, Truman was wrong. But, at the time we supported him, if we did, did we know he would rule as a brutal corrupt dictator?

if we ended up a brutal corrupt dictator why didn't you topple him? the US seems to use that excuse whenever it does its dirty work, why is Batista exempted? Oh... let me guess why, he was a US ass-kisser, that's why. So, rule #1 if you want to be a corrupt dictator: kiss the US's ass and your rule is assured.

[Kramerman]

Master Zen, your tactic of deliberately missing points is annoying.

[SlowwHand]

But he's lengthy in doing so.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
But he's lengthy in doing so.

I heard that!!!

[SlowwHand]

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Kramerman
Master Zen, your tactic of deliberately missing points is annoying.

not as much as your one-line replies

[Sava]

Dixie Chicks, Martin Sheen, Steven Spielberg and whoever can give their opinion.
They're entitled.

I'm glad you brought this up, numbnuts... yes, let's boycott Steven Spielberg... who brought us the most patriotic f*cking movie in a long time... the man who dared to show the reality and brutality of war in Saving Private Ryan; commemorating the people that did sacrifice for the war... but yet Spielberg isn't a patriot because he doesn't support a chickensh1thawk like Dubya??... the man who deserted his cushy national guard post to snort cocaine??...

why don't you smell what you're shoveling Sloww

[Ned]

There is no doubt that we should have pulled the plug on Batista earlier than we did. But we did eventually. Had the Platt amendment still been in force, there would have been no need for Batista's coup. Things really went downhill for Cuba, from the point of view of democracy, when Batista got rid of the Platt amendment.

The lack of American intervention was the problem with Batista.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Master Zen


not as much as your one-line replies

well then, if im annoying you more than you me, then I win

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ned

The lack of American intervention was the problem with Batista.

As well as every other "bad" regime in history right?

I wonder who's going to solve the problem of a "bad" US government...

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Kramerman


well then, if im annoying you more than you me, then I win

If you really annoyed me I wouldn't bother to answer

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Master Zen


If you really annoyed me I wouldn't bother to answer

then i lose

[Pekka]

what's this stupid argument here?
Let's just chant!

USA! USA! USA!