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**Stefu** · May 11, 2003, 17:51

ALL HAIL STEFU!

YES!

STEFU!

**GePap** · May 11, 2003, 17:57

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MOST of the people are just not buying their music, going to their concerts and not supporting them with their hard earned dollars.

Only a few morons have made death threats... and just a few more are saying that they shouldn't voice their opinion...

I have no problesm with people not buying thier stuff, I do have problems with people starting boycotts, and having CD burnings, and I also have heard very little critism of the numnuts that did make threats, as well as little critism of the boycotts and CD burnings from the ones support the ones who "were just expresing thier opinons about the DC". I also think it is a sad day when people in this country will penalize individuals for their political choices. I have a good frind who won't watch any movies with charlton heston because of his time in the NRA. He is right to do so, but I think it is idiotic, becuase someones political beliefs have sh1t to do with their art. I may agree with the DC's, but hell like I will listen to crappy pop-country music.

**Ming** · May 11, 2003, 18:15

Originally posted by GePap
I have no problesm with people not buying thier stuff, I do have problems with people starting boycotts, and having CD burnings

Then you are just denying common people their right to voice their opinions. They don't have a national press to allow them a chance... so they do what they can.

Boycotts and CD burnings are Legal... For you to deny people those actions while saying the DC can voice their opinions is silly and hypocritical on your part.

The DC's AND their FAN's have the right to express their opinions. It's that simple.

Again... you want to point at a few wackos and law breakers and use them to make a point which doesn't apply to the majority of the people. A pretty weak argument on your part.

**SlowwHand** · May 11, 2003, 18:19

A boycott is the same as not buying.

**Kramerman** · May 11, 2003, 18:19

I have a good frind who won't watch any movies with charlton heston because of his time in the NRA. He is right to do so, but I think it is idiotic, becuase someones political beliefs have sh1t to do with their art. I may agree with the DC's, but hell like I will listen to crappy pop-country music.

And thats your opinion.... YOU LEFTY SON OF A *****! IM GONNA KILL YOU!!!

Disclaimer: death threat not genuine

**GePap** · May 11, 2003, 18:22

Boycotts and burnings are legal, but they are designed to punish individuals. Boycotting someone for what they said is saying that what they said was so wrong, they should bear some sort of public punishment for it. Well, the Dixie chicks made a political statement, and no one in this country should be punished for making political statements. People can express thier opinion by writing a letter to the editor, they can express them simply by not buying, but as I just stated, tryng to punish someone for their opinons goes beyond "just making yours", it ia actively trying to enforce some sort of consensus, something you don;t have a right to do, at least when it comes to politics in this country.

**Ming** · May 11, 2003, 18:24

Consumers have been "voting" with their pocketbook for years... it's THEIR RIGHT. So if they don't want to buy... or even burn the CD's they own... IT'S THEIR RIGHT.

And you want to take away this right... while allowing the DC's their rights... Hmmmm.. there seems to be sounds coming out of both sides of your mouth

**GePap** · May 11, 2003, 18:24

Originally posted by SlowwHand
A boycott is the same as not buying.

No, A boycott is trying to organize a campaign of people to get them not to buy, with the epxress hope that the economic damage to the individuals involved will force a change in action. A boycott is not simply an act of personal opinion, but a political act.

Saying they are the same is like saying participating in a protest march and writing a letter to thte editor are th same thing..they are not.

**SlowwHand** · May 11, 2003, 18:25

The thing is, they had a crowd gathered to hear them sing music.

Tickets prices are high.
Why should people have to pay hig dollar to listen to 3 entertainers give their political comment?

Comes under a time and place for everything.

**Jac de Molay** · May 11, 2003, 18:27

Gimme a break, it was one sentence, not some extended political diatribe.

**GePap** · May 11, 2003, 18:29

Originally posted by Ming
Consumers have been "voting" with their pocketbook for years... it's THEIR RIGHT. So if they don't want to buy... or even burn the CD's they own... IT'S THEIR RIGHT.

And you want to take away this right... while allowing the DC's their rights... Hmmmm.. there seems to be sounds coming out of both sides of your mouth

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE!

It is so difficult to understand! If I don't buy a car cause I don;t like the company, that is me voicing my opion with my pocketbook, but it has no bearing on whether the makers of the porduct i refuse to buy will continue to make it, as long as enough people do buy it. My act then ahs little consequence on thier ability to make what they want to make, on thier actions. If I start a boycott of the product, call over the press, get some examples and burn them in public..that goes beyond me just voicing my opino of their act, of their product. it becomes me trying to force the maker to stop what they are doing..it is me trying to end their actions, to limit their freedom in this one way.

IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!! NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL BE!

**SlowwHand** · May 11, 2003, 18:29

Apparently it was one too many.

Rights are rights.

**Ming** · May 11, 2003, 18:29

Originally posted by GePap
A boycott is not simply an act of personal opinion, but a political act.

BUT SO IS TALKING TO THE PRESS... What the DC's did was as much a policital act as the boycotts.

ANYBODY that says something in public must live with what happens. The DC's shouldn't have anymore rights or proctections than anybody else.

People are expressing their opinions... what's wrong with that... Oh, that's right, you only support the rights of people that have the same point of view as you do

**Chemical Ollie** · May 11, 2003, 18:32

Chicksie D!cks answered a promted question in a British interview. They did not make political statements on stage. Correct me if I remember wrong.

**SlowwHand** · May 11, 2003, 18:33

Would you want to go to the county fair's stock yard, only to have a pig start singing?

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