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  • #91
    Originally posted by Kramerman




    Does Stefu have the mark?

    He may be the one that the ancient scrolls prophesized.

    If so, then he is the ONE. The ONE who will lead the ancient and venerable Society of UberAmericanPatriots


    ALL HAIL STEFU!
    It has been confirmed.

    So it has been written, so it shall be done.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Ted Striker
      Uh DetroitDave, some citizens didn't like what Tim Robbins and the Dixie Chicks had to say.

      They expressed their opinions about it.

      Is that not the same freedom you are talking about?

      Or should they be denied that right because you don't agree with them?
      They didn't just "express" their opinions about it. There were death threats made against the Chicks, and vandalism against their property. If it was a simple matter of expressing their disagreement, I wouldn't have a problem. I didn't know that expressing an opinion entailed creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

      I think Robbins is quite right when he said a "chill wind" was blowing regarding the freedom of expressing dissent. Blind patriotism has had a chilling effect on free speech as of late.
      "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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      • #93
        People are free to express their dissent now more easily than ever.

        If it's one thing people can't stand it's celebrities that think their opinion and influence is so important that they have to let everyone know about it.

        Death threats are exteme and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but they should know better.
        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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        • #94
          If it's one thing people can't stand it's celebrities that think their opinion and influence is so important that they have to let everyone know about it.


          And who are you? and why should we care a sh1t what YOU say? I never understand this absurd argument: they have every right to say whatever they think, they as as much right to say what they think as anyone else. We make them famous, and now you want to say that because we make them famous, they have to keep their mouths shut? What kind of absurdity is that?!

          Death threats are exteme and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but they should know better.


          Who should know better? The idiots commiting a crime, or the individuals expressing thier free political opinions?
          If you don't like reality, change it! me
          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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          • #95
            Yes they should keep their mouths shut. That's just the way it is. People find it patronizing. It's common sense.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #96
              Originally posted by DetroitDave
              They didn't just "express" their opinions about it. There were death threats made against the Chicks, and vandalism against their property.
              "They"... you mean a FEW wackos have done this... most have just expressed their opinion on the subject by not buying any CD's or burning their CD's, which is their right. And if radio stations don't want to play their music so they can make a statement... that's their right too. EVERYBODY is allowed to express their opinions, as long as they do it in a legal manner. People that make threats should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...

              As slow says... they are welcome to their opinions, and I can spend my money however I want
              Keep on Civin'
              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #97
                You cant make an opinion known and expect there to be no consequences of it.

                I cant go to a Southern Baptist church, and during services step up to the podium, shove the minister out of the way, and declare several obsceneties about Jesus Christ and expect that the church goers wont have a changed opinion about me.

                They are free to express their opinion, as long as it is within the law, of course. But if they merely express hatred, i must deal with that, as I made the decision that MADE them hate me.
                "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
                - BLACKENED from America's Army: Operations
                Kramerman - Creator and Author of The Epic Tale of Navalon in the Civ III Stories Forum

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  Yes they should keep their mouths shut. That's just the way it is. People find it patronizing. It's common sense.
                  No, that is just NOT the way it is. "People find it patronizing"? who? those with low self-esteem who need the support of people they will never know to feel good about their lives?

                  It has never been, nor will it ever been, common sense, and the day it becomes "common sense" is the day this country has gone mad.

                  They are free to express their opinion, as long as it is within the law, of course. But if they merely express hatred, i must deal with that, as I made the decision that MADE them hate me.




                  How can you make someone hate you by saying YOUR opinion about something? If they coem to hate you, obviously then, these "christians" are nothing but a bunch of lying hypocrites who read the bible but seem to have utterly forgotten what the hell Jesus said.

                  I though conservatives beleieved in Personal responsibility? I guess you guys don;t, since you think people are so utterly stupid and fragile that they don;t have the ability ot know when someone else is doing what Americans are supposed to be free to do.
                  If you don't like reality, change it! me
                  "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                  "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                  "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #99
                    It's common sense.

                    Like it was said, if you express your opinion, you'd better be prepared for people not to like it. When you express your opinions in a public forum, where millions and billions are going to hear what you have to say, be prepared to face the consequences when they don't agree with you.

                    But don't say something and then cry about it when people get mad at you.
                    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #100
                      Oh lord...

                      People did more than say "I disagree". They sent death thread, or like you, say that they should have kept their mouths shut. That goes beyond disagreeing, which you have every right to do, and into trying to block their free expression, which you have no right to do. Think of it in Poly terms: there is a difference between posting a rebutal, and banning you for some time for what you said.
                      If you don't like reality, change it! me
                      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by GePap
                        Oh lord...

                        People did more than say "I disagree". They sent death thread, or like you, say that they should have kept their mouths shut.
                        Again... you say THEY like you mean EVERYBODY has done so... NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALITY.

                        A few wackos have... what they did is illegal.

                        THE MAJORITY of the people are just expressing their opinions... so don't paint ALL people because of just a few.
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Ming
                          "They"... you mean a FEW wackos have done this...
                          I dont disagree with you for the most part.

                          My problem is these same blindly patriotic wackos do have the potential to create an atmosphere of reluctance on the part of celebrities, or anyone else for that matter, to express a dissenting view.

                          No, it's not a complete stultifying of free speech, but it is a dangerous trend.
                          "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by GePap
                            Oh lord...

                            People did more than say "I disagree". They sent death thread, or like you, say that they should have kept their mouths shut. That goes beyond disagreeing, which you have every right to do, and into trying to block their free expression, which you have no right to do. Think of it in Poly terms: there is a difference between posting a rebutal, and banning you for some time for what you said.


                            what Ming said...
                            "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
                            - BLACKENED from America's Army: Operations
                            Kramerman - Creator and Author of The Epic Tale of Navalon in the Civ III Stories Forum

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Ming


                              Again... you say THEY like you mean EVERYBODY has done so... NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALITY.

                              A few wackos have... what they did is illegal.

                              THE MAJORITY of the people are just expressing their opinions... so don't paint ALL people because of just a few.
                              And their opinon is " if you are famous, you should not speak out politically". Well, that is not an opinion that furthers liberty. It is an opinion of someone who wants to limit the free expression of individuals in one way or another.

                              These "patriots" are not saying : "I think you are wrong, and I support my president!", they are saying "I think you are wrong, and you have no right to say what you said!". I find it incredible that sensible people here willfully ignore the difference in those two statements.
                              If you don't like reality, change it! me
                              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                              • #105
                                I find it incredible that you continue to Paint everybody because of what a few have done.

                                Most people aren't saying they don't have a right to express their opinion. Most people are saying that if you do express your opinion, you should be ready to accept what happens because you have done so.

                                MOST of the people are just not buying their music, going to their concerts and not supporting them with their hard earned dollars.

                                Only a few morons have made death threats... and just a few more are saying that they shouldn't voice their opinion...

                                The rest are just expressing their opinions in the same way the DC's did. Your position seems to be that it was OK for the DC's... but not ok for the majority of other people
                                Keep on Civin'
                                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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