Should I become a Republican?

[Japher]

On the other hand Speer, become a Democrat just to blur the lines a little and really p*ss all them off! I think I might switch sides, run for office under a fake platform, then change everything once I am elected.. Heck that's not only the republican way, it's the American way.

[orange]

ah, yes, i remember you telling me that one Speer.

Here's a gem...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat




Not by the same standards as Heydrich or von dem Bach-Zelewski or Lammerding, but Speer was up to his neck in it.

The limits of his "compassion" for slave laborers used in support of the activities he oversaw was that a little better treatment of the slave labor would cost effectively increase their productive value.

While I don't think Speer's interest was humanitarian, it must be pointed out that had he not been using those slave laborers (he was persistent in using them), they likely would have been exterminated instead. Speer openly defied orders from Hitler at the end of the war to destroy his factories (with the laborers) and handed his munition plants over to the allies intact.

Speer also repented, and I believe very convincingly. If Weisenthal thought his remorse was sincere enough, I would say that's a good sign of a man who had reckoned with himself and came out better for it.

[Al B. Sure!]

MtG:

Holocaust denial? All I remember posting about the holocaust was a question as to where were all the bodies and what not? And I also asked why was 6 million the generally accepted figure when historians usually more accurately say 4-6 million... shouldnt 5 million be the generally accepted figure then?

anyway...

Aside from being a nazi, Albert Speer was a pretty intelligent man as far as I have learned. He was a very capable architect, rally-organizer, administrator, and minister of armaments. really intelligent man who was only in his 30's and 40's during the third reich.

it's a shame that he spent most of his life in prison. a brilliant man.


thanks

[Al B. Sure!]

and before someone misquotes me... it is also a shame that many intelligent and good Jews were enslaved and killed...

[orange]

what a compelling afterthought

[Al B. Sure!]

orange:

unfortunately, some people here would not think that that is assumed when I made my post at 18:37

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
MtG:

Holocaust denial? All I remember posting about the holocaust was a question as to where were all the bodies and what not?

Originally, you questioned whether anyone was actually killed, since you'd never seen photos or evidence of bodies. After someone posted numerous photos of railroad cars with bodies stacked like cordwood, etc., you then got into nit-picking about the numbers, like killing only 4 million would be a substantial improvement over killing 6. Over 3 million Soviet POW's died in Gernman captivity, and the vast majority of those were non-Jews, so they of course aren't counted in the holocaust number. Just more millions of corpses. But let's not quibble over a few million dead.

anyway...

Aside from being a nazi, Albert Speer was a pretty intelligent man as far as I have learned. He was a very capable architect, rally-organizer, administrator, and minister of armaments. really intelligent man who was only in his 30's and 40's during the third reich.

it's a shame that he spent most of his life in prison. a brilliant man.

It's a shame so many of the workers under his ministry never got to live long enough to see him in prison, or more ideally, in front of a wall. An accessory to mass murder and slavery. **** anything else, it's all for naught.

thanks

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
orange:

unfortunately, some people here would not think that that is assumed when I made my post at 18:37

Actually, what a shame any of them were killed for being Jews, even if they were miserable cretins.

[yaroslav]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

It's a shame so many of the workers under his ministry never got to live long enough to see him in prison, or more ideally, in front of a wall

I agree sir. I don't understand why some nazis have better reputation than others only because these 'good reputation' nazis are supposed to be more efficient than the others.

EDITED: for clarity

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by yaroslav


I agree sir. I don't understand why some nazis have better reputation than others only because these 'good reputation' nazis are supposed to be more efficient than the others.

EDITED: for clarity

You don't think, say, John Rabe should have a better reputation than Heinrich Himmler?

[Al B. Sure!]

MtG:

Originally, you questioned whether anyone was actually killed, since you'd never seen photos or evidence of bodies. After someone posted numerous photos of railroad cars with bodies stacked like cordwood, etc., you then got into nit-picking about the numbers, like killing only 4 million would be a substantial improvement over killing 6. Over 3 million Soviet POW's died in Gernman captivity, and the vast majority of those were non-Jews, so they of course aren't counted in the holocaust number. Just more millions of corpses. But let's not quibble over a few million dead.

And how is any of this holocaust denial? I wanted to know if there was pictures... all you see in textbooks generally is malnutritioned slave workers... never pictures of bodies... so it was legitimate for me to question if pictures existed (which i found out did exist thanks to my inquiry) and there was hardly a Nuremburg for all the slavers and slave traders in America who brutalized 10 million blacks...


thanks

[Japher]

all you see in textbooks generally is malnutritioned slave workers... never pictures of bodies...

Gotta love the censoring of the educational system these days.

[Sava]

there was hardly a Nuremburg for all the slavers and slave traders in America who brutalized 10 million blacks...

they eventually became Republicans

anyways, Speer, although you might not fit in with the religious right, you seem to be able to recite their party-line from heart. And your stereotyping of leftists and liberals puts you in a league with Rush and Sean Hannity. Go for it.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
and there was hardly a Nuremburg for all the slavers and slave traders in America who brutalized 10 million blacks...

What the hell relevance is this? Are atrocities in competition now?