1975: Saigon surrenders

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Hueij

The collapse of Communism was all worth it.

Right. Too bad the Commies at Mylai didn't understand...

Picture edited by Ming...

We don't allow pictures of dead bodies... enough said.

Sorry, I forgot that it is alright to tell glorious tales of war but forbidden to show the images that go with these stories...

I take it that the photo of the naked girl running from a US napalm attack is out of bounds here too. No nekkidnes on this here site

Bring on the celebrating Iraqi's!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
Azazel, other than Vietnam, care to share some examples for discussion?

Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, the Congo (in the 1960s), Mexico, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and those are just where we directly militarily intervened. The list gets much bigger when you toss in places where the CIA was screwing around.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Calley got screwed, and that's all I have to say on that subject.

Yes he did, but he also wasn't punished enough. Most of the unit should have gone to prison, along with Calley's superiors, and stayed there.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
It couldn't be the fault of Vietnam who controlled (most of) Cambodia for a dozen years.

Vietnam was fighting the Khmer Rouge the whole time they occupied the country. The Vietnamese are the only reason the Kmher Rouge didn't return to power. The Kmher weren't sitting around idling waiting to be caught. They waged a fourteen year guerilla war againt Vietnam.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Hueij


Bring on the celebrating Iraqi's!

You hate them don't you. Well, don't worry. They hate the human shields and candy-ass peaceniks, too.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by GP


You hate them don't you. Well, don't worry. They hate the human shields and candy-ass peaceniks, too.

I hate who??

I just wanted to show what the "liberation" of one nation by another really looks like... But it was not to be...

[TCO]

I guess, you would prefer to be under the Nazi jackboot then.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by GP
I guess, you would prefer to be under the Nazi jackboot then.

Nope, I saw pictures of what happened when my country was liberated by them

Edit: And to make you happy, I am planning making a thread on May 4 about our Remembrance Day and the US will be mentioned

[Panag]

Originally posted by GP
I guess, you would prefer to be under the Nazi jackboot then.

hi ,


die zit


touché


actually GP if you talk to some of older europeans , .... they would have liked it , .....

some of them go on for hours how europe had one currency , one army , etc , ....

have a nice day

[Panag]

NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM NO. 263
TO: Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

SUBJECT: South Vietnam

At a meeting on October 5, 1963, the President considered the recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara and General Taylor on their mission to South Vietnam.

The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1 -3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved the instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon. McGeorge Bundy

Copy furnished: Director of Central Intelligence
Administrator, Agency for International Development 11/21/63


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DRAFT

TOP SECRET

NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM NO

The President has reviewed the discussions of South Vietnam which occurred in Honolulu, and has discussed the matter further with Ambassador Lodge. He directs that the following guidance be issued to all concerned:

1. It remains the central object of the United States in South Vietnam to assist the people and Government of that country to win their contest against the externally directed and supported Communist conspiracy. The test of all decisions and U.S. actions in this area should be the effectiveness of their contributions to this purpose.

2. The objectives of the United States with respect to the withdrawal of U.S. military personnel remain as stated in the White House statement of October 2, 1963.

3. It is a major interest of the United States Government that the present provisional government of South Vietnam should be assisted in consolidating itself in holding and developing increased public support. All U.S. officers should conduct themselves with this objective in view.

4. It is of the highest importance that the United States Government avoid either the appearance or the reality of public recrimination from one part of it against another, and the President expects that all senior officers of the Government will take energetic steps to insure that they and their subordinate go out of their way to maintain and to defend the unity of the United States Government both here and in the field. More specifically, the President approves the following lines of action developed in the discussions of the Honolulu meeting of November 20. The office or offices of the Government to which central responsibility is assigned is indicated in each case.

5. We should concentrate our own efforts, and insofar as possible we should persuade the government of South Vietnam to concentrate its efforts, on the critical situation in the Mekong Delta. This concentration should include not only military but political, economic, social, educational and informational efforts. We should seek to turn the tide not only of battle but of belief, and we should seek to increase not only our control of land but the productivity of this area whenever the proceeds can be held for the advantage of anti-Communist forces. (Action: The whole country team under the direct supervision of the Ambassador.)

6. Programs of military and economic assistance should be maintained at such levels that their magnitude and effectiveness in the eyes of the Vietnamese Government do not fall below the levels sustained by the United States in the time of the Diem Government. This does not exclude arrangements for economy on the MAP accounting for ammunition and any other readjustments which are possible as between MAP and other U.S. defense sources. Special attention should be given to the expansion of the import distribution and effective use of fertilizer for the Delta. (Action: AID and DOD as appropriate.)

7. With respect to action against North Vietnam, there should be a detailed plan for the development of additional Government of Vietnam resources, especially for sea-going activity, and such planning should indicate the time and investment necessary to achieve a wholly new level of effectiveness in this field of action. (Action: DOD and CIA)

8. With respect to Laos, a plan should be developed for military operations up to a line up to 50 kilometers inside Laos, together with political plans for minimizing the international hazards of such an enterprise. Since it is agreed that operational responsibility for such undertakings should pass from CAS to MACV, this plan should provide an alternative method of political liaison for such operations, since their timing and character can have an intimate relation to the fluctuating situation in Laos. (Action: State, DOD and CIA.)

9. It was agreed in Honolulu that the situation in Cambodia is of the first importance for South Vietnam, and it is therefore urgent that we should lose no opportunity to exercise a favorable influence upon that country. In particular, measures should be undertaken to satisfy ourselves completely that recent charges from Cambodia are groundless, and we should put ourselves in a position to offer to the Cambodians a full opportunity to satisfy themselves on this same point. (Action: State.)

10. In connection with paragraphs 7 and 8 above, it is desired that we should develop as strong and persuasive a case as possible to demonstrate to the world the degree to which the Viet Cong is controlled, sustained and supplied from Hanoi, through Laos and other channels. In short, we need a more contemporary version of the Jordan Report, as powerful and complete as possible. (Action: Department of State with other agencies as necessary,.)

McGeorge Bundy

[Az]

Hueij, I requested that the pic would be removed.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Hueij

Nope, I saw pictures of what happened when my country was liberated by them

hi ,

did you see pics of when your country was occupied also , ....

have a nice day

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Azazel
Hueij, I requested that the pic would be removed.

Why? The face of war isn't a pretty one but IMHO should be shown at every opportunity. I think if you talk about war you should also show the image of war.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

did you see pics of when your country was occupied also , ....

have a nice day

That's what I was talking about Panag...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Hueij

Why? The face of war isn't a pretty one but IMHO should be shown at every opportunity. I think if you talk about war you should also show the image of war.

hi ,

some of the posters here have just to cross the street to see the same stuff , ....

so dont feel offended if we say we see enough , .....

have a nice day