1975: Saigon surrenders

[SlowwHand]

Right, GP. The Russkies couldn't do it, so naturally the Coalition couldn't.

I have a News Flash.
Russia can't even keep themselves in toilet paper, so how the analogy of their forces and Coalition forces mesh, is beyond me.

After all, Tassadar came here.
I don't see anyone hauling their ass to Russia from here.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
"Come on. It's obvious that the Vietnam war was much more difficult than GW or Afghanistan."

Afghanistan was known well for it's fierce guerilla fighters, who had defeated the Soviet Union just a little earlier.

Yeah, don't forget all that fierce US funding they no longer had.

[chequita guevara]

Go Vietnam!

[SlowwHand]

Thanks, Che.
Now all that's needed is David to come put in his just as logical 2 cents worth.

[Az]

Btw, GP, Sloww, do you support the actions of the american government in Afghanistan in the 80s? I always wondered about this.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Powell was right. You either go all out and fight a war or you get out but you never just sort of fight and sort of not fight. Johnson that he could fight an unending defensive war in South Vietnam but never invade the North. That is not a winning strategy.

Instead what we needed was a MacAurthor type leader who was bold enough to risk pissing off the communist Chinese by invading and subjecting the north. The point being that now you are fighting on their land and there people are seeing the war on their doorstep day in and day out.

We all know how that worked in Korea. No one here realizes that an escalation in our tactics=escalation in Chinese and Russian funding and the possiblity of their entry into the war. These Cold War non-wars were inherently unwinnable, especially when you're fighting a country abutting communist China.

[Dinner]

Personnally, I do not support the actions of the Reagon administration in Afghanistan. They were so obsessed with defeating the USSR that they didn't see the monster they were creating by assisting Arab fundies.

They just kept saying the Soviets did the same to us in Vietnam now lets get even.

[SlowwHand]

If I ran the circus, I'd bring all troops back from most places, almost Isolationist, briefly.

And start over.

I've said it before, yes, America has royally screwed the pooch many times by taking the position that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
That's horse****.

[Az]

Thank you.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Azazel
Btw, GP, Sloww, do you support the actions of the american government in Afghanistan in the 80s? I always wondered about this.

sure. the Russians were the bad guys. We turned them around in Afghanistan, Angola, Grenada, Central america. Built tons of ships and planes and stuff. Put crusie missiles in Europe. Took the fight to them. Great strategy. That helpe implode that rotted peice of **** that is international communism.

I also agree with supporting the Russians against the Nazis in WW2. That's a tougher call, but still the way to go.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by gsmoove23


We all know how that worked in Korea. No one here realizes that an escalation in our tactics=escalation in Chinese and Russian funding and the possiblity of their entry into the war. These Cold War non-wars were inherently unwinnable, especially when you're fighting a country abutting communist China.

Korea worked out much better. We saved at least the South. Look how much they are better off now than the North.

[Az]

You realize, of course that the vast majority of the people you "helped" are in much worse shape?

But that's ok. who cares about them, as long as America can reign supreme.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Azazel


You realize, of course that the vast majority of the people you "helped" are in much worse shape?

But that's ok. who cares about them, as long as America can reign supreme.

Azazel, other than Vietnam, care to share some examples for discussion?

[SlowwHand]

South Vietnam, just like South Korea, was a seperate country from the North.

[Lancer]

During the days of Vietnam we couldn't have attacked Iraq without the Soviets commiting forces. Same may have been the case with North Vietnam. Had we headed north of the DMZ, we might have had a fight between superpowers on our hands, with China coming in on Russias side as well.

This could easily have spread to US/USSR forces in europe, where we were outnumbered and outgunned, and the possible loss of europe.

The policy of attrition in Vietnam was the end result.

To leave was politicly unacceptable with 3/5ths of the world under communism and American pride at stake. To stay, well we stayed until people had had enough. We should never have been there in the first place. That you can lay at the feet of Kennedy and/or Johnson.

They got involved in a jungle war on the asian continent in support of post WW2 resurgent French imperialist policies. Like those people were ever 'free'.